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April 21, 2007 at 11:42 pm #31151

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Hi all,

Okay for those of you who have kind of followed my saga with Owen, I have a question about goats milk.

I had the most awful time getting Owen to take Neocate, so on a whim, I tried mixing the goats milk and Neocate 50/50. I started this 3 weeks ago tomorrow and the kid is eating like never before. I even confessed to my ped and he told me that I should go no more than 30/70 with the goats milk, but really I’m wondering what he knows at this point because I really haven’t had good luck with him!

Anyway, I have seen no changes in Owen other than a little constipation which can be resolved with prunes (very quickly I might add!! We’ve had our fair share of blowouts!!) It’s sad what becomes funny this time of night!

So I guess what my question is does that mean that he is becoming more tolerant to milk proteins? My ped suggested changing to a different formula around 9 months to test him?? Do you think this is a good idea?? Have any of you had success with changing so soon or did your kids need the neocate past a year?? I’m open to all ideas, but I really would like to get off the neocate ASAP as it is a pocketbook buster!!!

I spent $83 on my oldest son’s shoes today because he as a terribly wide foot and I spend about the same amount on Owen’s formula a month as I do on groceries!! Give me a break!!

Anyway, just wondering if any of you have had luck changing over to formula??
Erica

April 22, 2007 at 9:06 am #31153

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I don’t know much about goat’s milk but I think I remember reading on here that the proteins are different than those in cow’s milk. The cow’s milk protein is very difficult for even adults to digest. Soo, I am not sure that he would be ready for milk based formula simply because he’s doing so well on goat’s milk. It IS fantastic though that he is taking the 50/50 mixture so well!!! It’s a great start! Try to think positive…you are only using half the amount of neocate now that you were before! We are on Alimentum and that is expensive enough…I can’t imagine the cost of neocate! Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

April 22, 2007 at 9:12 am #31154

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actually…the dr sears website says that goats milk proteins are similair to cows milk proteins. he says that if you have a hard time tolerating cows milk, there will be a good chance you will have trouble with goats milk.

April 22, 2007 at 9:56 am #31162

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Hmm, I guess I read wrong! I wonder then why so many babies can only do goat’s milk, but not cow’s?

Why can’t all babies just be IDENTICAL in their tolerances/allergies/reactions/reflux so we could interpret everything easier! Wouldn’t that be great!?!

April 22, 2007 at 10:05 am #31164
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amy, he talks about “theoretically” the protein is easier to digest…but then he says this:

“Goat’s milk casein is more similar to human milk, yet cow’s milk and goat’s milk contain similar levels of the other allergenic protein, beta lactoglobulin. Scientific studies have not found a decreased incidence of allergy with goat’s milk, but here is another situation where mothers’ observations and scientific studies are at odds with one another. Some mothers are certain that their child tolerates goat’s milk better than cow’s milk, and mothers are more sensitive to children’s reactions than scientific studies. “

” Like cow’s milk, it can cause intestinal irritation and anemia. If your baby under one year of age is allergic to cow’s milk-based formulas, try either a soy-based formula or a hypoallergenic formula. If your baby can’t tolerate either soy or hypoallergenic formulas, in consultation with your doctor and/or a pediatric nutritionist click here for the recipe for goat’s milk formula. <!–
- 12 ounces of evaporated goat’s milk, fortified with folic acid and vitamin
  D. Evaporated milk has been heat-processed, which increases the digestibility
  and lessens the allergenic properties of the protein. The heat-processing of the
  evaporated milk further increases the digestibility and may lessen the
  allergenicity of the protein. (Powdered goat’s milk may also be used.)
- 24 ounces of sterile water
- a carbohydrate source: 3½ tablespoons of corn syrup or 7 tablespoons
  of dextrin maltose (from a pharmacy, drug store, or grocery store).
–>

so yes, i am sure there are babies that cant handle cows milk but can handle goats milk.

nataliachick72007-4-22 10:7:43
April 22, 2007 at 10:14 am #31167

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i do know that many babies do well on goats and not on cows (there are several moms on here that have experienced that).

here is what dr.sears says about the protien issue:

“Different protein. Goat milk protein forms a softer curd (the term given to the protein clumps that are formed by the action of your stomach acid on the protein), which makes the protein more easily and rapidly digestible. Theoretically, this more rapid transit through the stomach could be an advantage to infants and children who regurgitate cow’s milk easily. Goat’s milk may also have advantages when it comes to allergies. Goat’s milk contains only trace amounts of an allergenic casein protein, alpha-S1, found in cow’s milk. Goat’s milk casein is more similar to human milk, yet cow’s milk and goat’s milk contain similar levels of the other allergenic protein, beta lactoglobulin. Scientific studies have not found a decreased incidence of allergy with goat’s milk, but here is another situation where mothers’ observations and scientific studies are at odds with one another. Some mothers are certain that their child tolerates goat’s milk better than cow’s milk, and mothers are more sensitive to children’s reactions than scientific studies. “

so, if it were me.. i would stay with what is working. it is possible that he can tolerate goats for now and not cows. so, i wouldnt change him to cows formula any time soon! just make sure to give a multi-vitamin!! 😉 and i am happy that he is tolerating it well!!

April 22, 2007 at 10:16 am #31168

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haha natalia.. you must have been posting the same time as i was…

May 16, 2007 at 8:24 am #33390

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Just wondering how the goat’s milk is going?

I have thought about trying the goat’s milk yogurt with Abby. She tested negative for milk and soy allergy but I just had her tested for milk and soy intolerance and she tested 43 units for milk and 26 units for soy, anything over 10 units is considered an intolerance. She is 13 months now and still on Neocate and I would love to get her on something else.

Andrea

May 16, 2007 at 11:55 am #33404

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The goats milk has been my saving grace!

Owen eats like a charm and has not been bothered by it. He was not taking anything but cereal when I started it and I tried to keep everything very consistent for 3 weeks to make sure he could tolerate.

I mix Neocate 50/50 with the goats milk. I did it for taste, because he would really fight the neocate plain, but he really drinks it well. I had to change him cold turkey from Alimentum to Neocate b/c it was done in the hospital and that was a big mistake! I was very uneducated then and didn’t know that the taste thing could be a problem.

I would be very consistent with the diet. Give her only things you know she can handle if you are doing table food or baby food. Don’t be introducing new things for a couple of weeks at least so that if she does become fussy you know it’s probably the goats milk!

ALSO, sooooooo much cheaper!

May 16, 2007 at 12:34 pm #33408

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Thanks Erica!

I am so glad that he is doing well on it! I think I might try either the goat’s milk or goat’s milk yogurt. Not sure which to go with. She takes the Neocate with no problems so I am very thankful. But we are changing insurance companies in July and our current one pays 80% of the Neocate. I hate to have to go through the fight again with another one to get it covered. Fingers crossed that she can tolerate it.

Andrea

May 16, 2007 at 6:49 pm #33452

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Hey- 80% is wonderful. We’re on our own- BCBS will cover nothing! That was another reason I was hoping it would go well! It’s saving us some money too!

May 17, 2007 at 6:35 pm #33596

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We switched my oldest son to regular milk at 10 months because we couldn’t afford the formula anymore. I don’t think he had mspi though, but he did just fine not having the formula the last few months. Also, I was raised on goat’s milk. My mother never did any kind of formula or cows milk. She did straight goat’s milk. I wouldn’t recommend that, but think the goat’s milk won’t hurt him and you could probably go to straight goats milk at 10 months or so. That is just me though. I am by no means a dr. I am just a cheap mom and I think it won’t hurt. They do say it is the closet to thing to moms milk and then suggest to do cows milk Many babies back in the day lived off of goats milk and regular milk. I would say if you did go that route, maybe give some extra vitamins or something. Again I am not a dr! Just my opinion.
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