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March 1, 2008 at 11:28 am #48742
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InactiveDid anyone’s child with severe bottle/breast aversion or sleep feeders transition to solids and do fine?
March 1, 2008 at 4:24 pm #48745Anonymous
InactiveHailey had a severe breast bottle aversion- total refusal of oral feeding while awake starting at 2 months. We had to start sleep feeding. Solids were also problematic- she would scream when she saw the spoon. Also didn’t like cup feeding. We started feeding therapy at 8 months and continued until 15 months. We had reached the point where she could drink from a cup and could eat various textures of solids, finger fed herself. BUT the volume was very very small, and she was a very fussy eater. She stopped sleep feeding at age 2 and was off bottles all together at 2.5 years old. We always have to worry about weight and it’s very hard to get her to eat anything then the four or five things that she likes… even that is of a small amount. I would ensure that your lo is on a good dose of PPI, and see a GI if you’re not already. Then I’d consider feeding therapy. It was a long road, but we couldn’t have done it without professional assistance.
March 1, 2008 at 8:13 pm #48749Anonymous
Inactivethank you for your reply. Where did you go for feeding therapy and by what kind of professional?
March 2, 2008 at 9:19 am #48754Anonymous
InactiveI live in Canada, so our system is a bit different. Where are you located? Many have used EI as a starting point for feeding therapy. It’s good b/c they’ll come into your home and that’s always more natural for a little one. They’ll also do a multidisciplinary assessment and see what kinds of therapies are needed. We had feeding therapy done initially by an OT and then by an SLP- those are the two professionals who usually do it. I personally preferred the SLP because she was able to give us good perspective on an oral motor assessment to rule out any problems there. I’m an OT so I probably shouldn’t say that. I think what really matters more than anything is the quality of the professional and they do vary within disciplines. There are good and bad, and you have to find one that fits with you and the approach that you like. There are also feeding clinics within most major cities that will use a multidisciplinary approach- you go there and they watch your child eat and do an evaluation. If you give me more info- like how old your child is, what symptoms, what feeding problems, what help you’ve had before, what meds if any, how much, what type, and where you’re located, I can ask around for you.
March 2, 2008 at 9:13 pm #48759Anonymous
InactiveThomas is 4 mos old. He was diagnosed with a milk protein allergy (blood in stool, colic) and silent reflux. He has major bottle aversion and did not eat for about a week after he was born (hospitalized at 6 days old for dehydration). He is on 1.4 ml of axid and will be starting prevacid tomorrow (3ml) suspension ( I had to beg my Gi for the script). He has been to two GI’s so far and non e of them are “sold” on his problems being attributed to reflux. He does not spit up but shows all the signs of silent reflux. Both docs feel it is “behavioral”. He is also on alimentum formula.Until yesterday, he only ate when he was sleeping. I begun a new approach of not feeding him when is is asleep today and he did eventually eat about 18 ounces! The last time I tried that approach he only took 3 oz in 48 hours so I was worried about trying it again. Today was the first time he ever ate whith his eyes open! Weight gain has not been an issue since he has been gaining weight nicely (mostly due to the fact that I sleep feed him all through the night).I am actually an SLP and I have tried countless feeding techniques. Thomas had a weak suck and a poor suck/swallow/breathe rhythm so it took a lot to get him to even drink from a bottle. Although he has improved in many ways his suck remains unusual despite trialing different nipple and different positions etc, it would help to get an outsiders suggestions and opinions. I don’t think EI will take him this young in my county. I was kind of hoping for an OT since I already tried the SLP approaches. I searched on google for feeding clinics in my area and really can;t find much.Thanks again for your help.ETA: I live on Long Island, NYTommysmommy 2008-03-02 21:19:15 March 3, 2008 at 12:45 pm #48768Anonymous
InactiveI hope this doesn’t sound harsh, but I’d get a new GI. I know someone in New York who used to post on this site, and her ds had a feeding aversion as well. She knows the system really well, so I’ll ask her to come and post a reply to you. But I still think that you should get a new GI. Just based on the script you’re telling me about the prevacid, I’d guess that it might not work well. Not to be a pessimist, but it’s really hard to make these compounds correctly. Check out the thread stickied in the meds forum about pharmacy compounded PPIs. Make sure that there’s no flavouring added whatsoever and that you don’t get a dose larger than a 2 week supply, among the other directions in that thread. How many mg/ml is it? It sounds like a very low dose. I’d guess that if you have to fight that hard to get him on a PPI, then your GI is probably not the right person. It’s really hard going through a feeding aversion, and you need your GI on board. If he has a milk protein allergy, then you should try neocate over alimentum. We had the same issue with my daughter and her feeding aversion. They told us that they didn’t even know if she actually had reflux and that it was behavioural. They said that she was on a high enough dose of PPI. Meanwhile, she had so much reflux pain that she had terrible Sandifer’s and she wouldn’t eat anything awake. I went through a lot of docs. Did your son ever have a modified barium swallow to ensure that he’s not aspirating?… I’m just wondering based on your comment about the problems with suck swallow breathe. Also, has he ever had an endoscopy done? That can look for damage and also allergic esophagitis and celiac, among other things. I do know that there are several feeding clinics in New York, but don’t know where, as I don’t know my US geography. Good luck. It’s really hard to go through this. One more thing I wanted to tell you is that we had so many docs saying that my daughter’s problems were entirely behavioural and it used to make me really mad. Of course there’s a behavioural component, but it starts from pain and the reflux really needs to be well controlled so that they can develop positive associations with food. Eventually we got a really good feeding therapist and she told me that almost all of her clients with feeding aversions also have reflux, and that’s not a coincidence. So the docs might say it’s behavioural, but it’s not a coincidence that he has reflux.
March 3, 2008 at 12:49 pm #48769Anonymous
InactiveHere’s a link about EI. I’d definitely call and ask.
March 3, 2008 at 12:52 pm #48770Anonymous
InactiveIf I can’t get in touch with Thais to reply to this thread, then you can call the program at St. Mary’s and ask them for a list of other local clinics.
March 3, 2008 at 9:14 pm #48780Anonymous
InactiveThank you so much. I am crying as I read your post b/c I feel like I went to 2 GI’s and they both make me feel crazy, yet you understand and have never met me or my son. I am sure you know how frustrating this all is. It so overwhelmingly stressful and sad to see him struggling everyday and I can get no real help. So far the 2 GI’s I have met with have been supposidly the “best” ped GI. The most recent is affiliated with Stonybrook Univ hospital and I had to wait a month for the appointment (which was the biggest let down ever). The GI wants to wait SIX MORE WHOLE WEEKS to see if things get better before performing endoscopy (which he claims to be 99% positive that will show nothing- when he said that I felt he was implying I was making up his symptoms). I cannot understand why both my GI’s feel “alimentum is the right formula for my son” when he is not tolerating it. He has constipation, eczema, and facial and eye lid swelling. I just don’t know where to turn anymore!
My son had a difficult time after he was born and was hospitalized twice. He really didn’t eat and was force fed so often at the hospital that I feel his poor suck is attributed to not developing the pattern on his own. I expressed concern of aspiration due to my son’s wet vocal quality after eating but my GI dismissed my concern since he has had 2 chest x-rays show clear lungs.Nobody seems to understand how severe my son’s feeding problems are unless they are around him for a full day. Thank you for the links. I REALLY APPRECIATE all your help.Tommysmommy 2008-03-03 21:17:08 March 4, 2008 at 9:01 am #48784Anonymous
InactiveIsaac has had a feeding aversion from pretty early on. No one took us seriously for way too long and by the time he we is therapy it was really too late. We have a few weeks to get him eating or his dr will be placing a feeding tube. My best advice is to get help early and be persistant with the drs.
March 4, 2008 at 11:23 am #48787Anonymous
InactiveSarah- I’m SO SO sad to read your reply. I’ll post another thead to you so as not to hijack this one, or pm me if you get a chance. HUGS. I hope that you’re doing okay.Tommy’s Mom-BIG BIG HUGS to you. Really, going through everything with the feeding aversion was one of the most challenging things I’ve experienced. Like you, I knew that something was wrong right away. My GI who I love kept saying colic and breast feeding issues and extreme fussiness until it was obvious that it was reflux when she stopped eating at 8 weeks old (along with her other symptoms). He sent us right away to a ped GI, and she told us that unless I could persist with feeding Hailey despite the challenge, that Hailey would likely need a feeding tube. We ended up trudging through, but it was exhausting and scary. I saw the GI monthly and they kept weighing her and saying that she was gaining and that we should just keep going on. I didn’t know how I would do that- Hailey screamed almost nonstop and I couldn’t feed her and I couldn’t take her anywhere. I felt so isolated and alone. Then I found this forum. The people here helped me to get the help that I needed for Hailey and to take matters into my own hands to ensure that she wasn’t ignored. We will do that for you too. Sometimes you just need a helping hand and some guidance.Know this: YOU ARE NOT CRAZY! YOU ARE NOT MAKING THINGS UP! THIS IS NOT NORMAL! and THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT!Babies should like eating! They should not be in pain all the time to the point that they cannot eat and are miserable. Hailey was in pain all the time to the point that she couldn’t eat, but also that she couldn’t focus on doing the things that babies should do.We also saw every GI I could get my hands on in our city. We also saw a feeding specialist, 2 OTs, PT, SLP, an osteopath, a neurologist, and multiple dieticians. When things didn’t improve, we were sent to a pediatric psychiatrist and a pediatric psychologist. We waited months for this appointment, where he proceeded to tell me that it was my fault that Hailey wouldn’t eat, that I must be causing it, that she feels my stress, that I’m pushing too hard, etc. etc…. so I understand your disappointment of waiting. I also cried after that appointment, out of sheer disappointment. We waited almost 6 months to see the top ped GI in our city only to be told that she has reflux, she’ll outgrow it and that she was fine because she was gaining weight. It didn’t matter that I could hardly feed her. I also cried again. I waited 4 more months from that time for our scheduled endoscopy date which I pushed for, and then got a call that the GI was cancelling all his appointment for that date and that we’d have to wait another 3 months. Somewhere in between all that I decided that I had enough being disappointed and took matters into my own hands. I called around to anyone and everyone that would listen and in the end, I got Hailey on a good dose of PPI that worked for her. And I got her feeding therapy with the best people in our area that I could find. Our GI still thought I was nuts in the end, as have most people I’ve come into contact with. But, as I said before, you’re NOT crazy.I’m only telling you our story so that you realize that you’re not alone. I know how awful it is.My advice to you would really be:1) First get him on a good dose of PPI that’s being made correctly. I would personally call marci-kids and try prevacid in CaraCream. It worked really well for my daughter. BUT, the dose needs to be high enough to work well. Which is why I suggest #2…2) Find a new doc. We’ll try to help you. You need someone on your side who’s willing to give your son what he needs and not belittle you in the interim.3) Check out http://www.marci-kids.com. They advocate for high dosing, much higher than most docs give out. But if you email them, then sometimes the head pharmacist there (Dr. Phillips) will call your doc directly and talk about dosing.4) Read up about neocate. It sounds like your little guy may have milk protein allergy or at least milk soy protein intolerance. I would definitely read up about neocate- which does not have milk proteins (as opposed to alimentum/nutramigen) and see if that’s something that you want to try.You don’t need a presciption for neocate as far as I know, but it’s very expensive.5) Control the constipation. It’s really been an ongoing battle with us for Hailey to try to do this, and it’s still an issue we deal with now. But we always noticed that the reflux and feeding was so much worse when she was backed up. Ask your doc about miralax, and see if that gets him pooping. Otherwise, I think you can get miralax OTC there.About the chest xray- Some babies can have silent aspiration where they have a little bit of each feed that they’re aspirating. This might not be enough to cause a pneumonia or something that will show up on a chest xray, but still is enough to cause problems with feeding and a wet sounding chest. My daughter always sounded this way, but our doc wouldn’t refer her for a modified barium swallow because he thought he knew it all and belittled us constantly. Unfortunately for us, our healthcare system is different, and I could never get it done. But if you can, I would. It’s not the same thing as a “barium swallow” aka “an upper GI”. The modified barium swallow is done by an SLP usually. They lace your baby’s milk with some barium, and then they watch while he feeds. The can watch the milk travel all the way down, and see if he’s doing the suck/swallow/breathe correctly, if he’s got good bolus formation, and make sure that the milk is all going down the right way. They can see if even a few drops are being aspirated. I’d ask your doc about it, if you can.That’s all the advice I have for now. I’m going to see if I can get a friend to post here to help you some more. Hang in there.March 4, 2008 at 2:23 pm #48792Anonymous
InactiveHey! I just wanted to second Lori’s suggestion about the Neocate. The milk is probably responsible for the eczema, facial swelling and even the constipation. I do think you can order it yourself from the pharmacist, but it can be very pricey. However, if you do that, and see improvement then you can march over to your doctor and demand that he give you a prescription for it because it IS working! If you have a script for it, many insurance companies will cover (or at least help) the cost.
March 4, 2008 at 3:40 pm #48802Anonymous
InactiveWow! Thanks for all your help…I can’t tell you how much better I feel already. I followed all the links on this site and really educated myself about what is going on. I am going to call for a third ped GI tomorrow. This time I am going to approach things differently, i am just going to ask for what I want and what you have all suggested (Modified barium swallow, neocate, and a good dose of prevacid or prilosec). I alos ordered a sample of neocate to try! I just don’t want my son suffering anymore and if there is available treatment out there for him, I have to get it for him! I placed a call with my county for EI for feeding services and I am waiting for a phone call back. I feel like I am headed in the right direction now……THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!
Tommysmommy 2008-03-04 15:42:06 March 4, 2008 at 5:07 pm #48806Anonymous
InactiveTommy’s mom-
Here are some recommended GIs in NY from this site:1) Dr. Nanci Pittman- Thais said that she prescribed the right dose of PPI for Matthew2) Dr. Sandra Escalera- North Haven CT3) Dr Suart Berezin, northern NJ, NYC 9145944610Don’t know about any of these personally. Good luck.March 4, 2008 at 5:13 pm #48808Anonymous
InactiveI third or fourth or whatever the Neocate/Elecare. I thought that my ds just had baby acne, as did my ped. He has the rash on his cheeks as well as his earlobes. When we saw the ped GI, he informed me that it was from MSPI.
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