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April 10, 2007 at 9:15 am #29983
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InactiveI am at my wits end. On one hand, I read some of the stories on this site, and realize that I am so fortunate b/c my son does not have reflux nearly as badly as some of the brave babies I read about. He has always been a decent sleeper and, for the most part, his major reflux went away after about 5 months.
But some of the things that have been going on with him over the past few months (he’s now nearly a year) have me really concerned.
He’s never really eaten solids. And I rec’d great advice from you all in regards to that. But lately, it’s hard to even get him to eat applesauce, or stage 1 baby food. He screams when he eats almost anything BUT his formula.
According to my ped., since it’s liquid that causes reflux, he doesn’t think reflux is the issue. But, my son honestly seems as if he’s in pain every time he swallows.
In addition, he always seems to have a low level of wheezing in his chest.
He’s only 19 pounds. I know that’s not tiny, and he’s not mal-nourished, but he’s tiny…in the 5th percentile. He gains, but the gain is slow (he was only 18 lbs at his 9 month check up). He gets colds constantly, and when he does, it only adds to the wheezing.
Everyone seems to think he’s just a picky eater. Or that I’m exaggerating. But, I have this gut instinct that something isn’t right. My ped. is (literally) considered to be the best in Columbus. So I feel completely absurd second guessing him.
Does anyone know something I can say to him to get his attention? I am making this out to be worse than it is?
It doesn’t help I’m exhausted right now from a night if screaming (he does actually have a bad cold right now).
I just feel like giving up.
April 10, 2007 at 10:03 am #29984Anonymous
Inactivei would find a new doctor. my 86 year old grandmother just got diagnosed with severe reflux and barrets esophogus (pre cancerous cells) and her only symptom was severe pain when she swallowed.
it sounds like your son may need to be treated with a PPI.
nataliachick72007-4-10 10:4:20
April 10, 2007 at 10:50 am #29986hellbennt
KeymasterI’d say that perhaps an endoscopy would help? it would give you a picture (literally) of what’s going on in his esophogus. there could even be esophogeal thrush in there & there’s no other way to tell…if the endoscopy does not show any irritation, eos cells or thrush, then at least then you’ll have more to go on and can then maybe see a speech therapist/someone who deals w/ helping babies/toddlers eat…
April 10, 2007 at 11:43 am #29989Anonymous
InactiveI agree with Laura that an endoscopy might be a good idea. If it shows something, then at least you know what you are dealing with and can start to treat it appropriately. If it shows nothing, then you at least have some peace of mind that that isn’t the problem. As well, has the doctor ever considered that he may have asthma? It can start to show up quite young. Here is a link about asthma and wheezing in infants, and you could see if it sounds similar to your son’s symptoms or not.
http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/medical/asthma/wheezing_ast hma.html
Good luck, I hope you have some answers soon.
April 10, 2007 at 11:59 am #29990Anonymous
InactiveI agree about the endoscopy, and if your doctor doesn’t agree I’d look for another doctor. Even if he’s considered the best, if he’s not helping your son, he’s not the best for your son.
The low level of wheezing would concern me. And the pain with swallowing would also concern me. I think you should go with your gut feeling and insist on some tests, or find a doctor who takes your concerns more seriously.
Good luck. I hope you find some answers and solutions soon.
April 10, 2007 at 12:31 pm #29994Anonymous
InactiveThe wheezing in his chest, sounds like it could be asthma. Perhaps due to food allergies/intolerances? This table is from http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T041800.asp
SKIN RESPIRATORY PASSAGES INTESTINES BEHAVIOR hives
red, sandpaper-like facial rash
dry, scaly, itchy skin (mostly on face)
swelling in hands and feet
puffy eyelids
dark circles under eye
slip swelling
tongue soreness and crackssneezing
runny nose
stuffy nose
wheezing
watery eyes
rattling chest
persistent cough
congestion
bronchitis
recurring ear infectionsburnlike rash around anus
abdominal discomfort
mucousy diarrhea
constipation
intestinal bleeding
poor weight gain
bloating, gassiness
excessive spitting up
constipation
vomitingfatigue
migraine headaches
hyperactivity
crying
irritability
night-waking
anxiety
crankiness
sore muscles and jointsApril 10, 2007 at 1:52 pm #29999Anonymous
Inactivedoes he like any particular solid food? like my son HATES purees… and will live off of toast and cherrios and bananas. does your son have any food that he will eat that will look like without any pain? i would also think that drinking would hurt.. thats why its a little confusing.
April 10, 2007 at 2:09 pm #30001Anonymous
InactiveThanks so much to all of you. I’m just getting back on here after taking Sander to the ped to deal with his current (unrelated illness). Asthma is indeed a possibility. I have exercise induced asthma, so itis in the genes.
He did get a test done when he was about 3 months old where they fed him a barrium (sp?) liquid and then put him on an x-ray table (or something like one, anyway) to watch what happened. Is that the same thing as an endoscopy? It didn’t show any severe reflux. In fact, I don’t think it really showed anything at all. He was still considered a reflux baby, b/c of his constant projectile vomiting, screaming when eating, and slow weight gain. But, I think the lack of major results from that test has kind-of influenced my doctor in in some way.
What exactly is Thrush of the throat? Are there other symptoms?
And I agree with shanesmom that it would seem that drinking would also hurt, not just swallowing of food. But, I don’t know. He will sometimes have a good day where he will eat a decent amount, but mostly, it’s hardly any food at all.
I have his one year appt. on April 24th. I’m taking my DH with me so that he can support me and help me voice my concerns. I am really hoping to get some answers, or at least more testing done.
THANK YOU ALL!!!
April 10, 2007 at 2:19 pm #30006hellbennt
Keymasterendoscopy is a bit more ‘invasive’ – it’s where they put a tube w/ a camera down the esophagus to really ‘see’ what’s going on & they also take little biopsies so they can test the tissue to ‘see’ what, if anything, is happening there…
kevieb’s daugheter, sylvia had esophogeal thrush & it had to do w/ her not wanting to eat- she would chew her food but not swallow- I think liquid feels better probably bcse of it’s thin soothing consistancy…
April 10, 2007 at 2:51 pm #30014Anonymous
InactiveHi Sandermom!
I’m sorry that you’re going through another difficult patch with Sander. Hailey has a longstanding feeding aversion, and so I tend to be a worry wart about feeding issues.
Firstly, what kind of feeding behaviours did Sander show with bottle/breast feeding early on? You mention “screaming while feeding”- are you talking about solids or liquids- and was there any arching or pushing away from the feeding going on? When did his feeding change? Did the prevacid help with his feeding? How much and how long was he on it? (I’m just asking these questions to get a baseline.)
About your peds comment that liquid causes reflux, I don’t know what he’s talking about, and would have to say from our experience that is not entirely true. Some kids prefer drinking as a way to soothe the burning in their throats- especially if the formula is cold. Foods can also cause reflux is there are food allergies or intolerances going on. I have recently developed reflux and liquids do not seem to bother me, but many foods do.
Another thing you mention is that he’s never really taken solids well. What has his introduction to solids been like? When did you start them, what did you start giving him, how did he react. Are there some things that he likes? How does he do with finger foods?
About the testing that he’s had done- it sounds like he had an upper GI series, which is not the same as an endoscopy. The upper GI is intended to look for structural problems along the GI tract that are causing the reflux, not to diagnose reflux itself. Some old fashioned doctors tend to use this test to diagnose reflux, but that is not the intent. The gold standard way to diagnose reflux is to do a pH probe. It involves placing a probe through the nose into the esophagus, and the child wears that probe for 24 hours while the pH is measured in the esophagus. The other test that some were talking about- an endoscopy- will take a look at the esophagus. It involves general anaesthetic, and then the GI inserts a small camera through the esophagus, stomach, and small bowel. It allows them to see what’s going on in there, and for them to take biopsies to diagnose some allergies and types of allergic esophagitis like EE. Laura mentioned esophageal thrush, which they can also see. Kevieb’s daughter had this, though I understand it’s pretty rare. The endoscopy itself will only tell you if there’s damage or no damage, and then the results of the biopsies, but it doesn’t tell you if there’s reflux or no reflux. Some parents chose to do the endoscopy, and then hav the pH probe inserted while they’re under- since this is apprently the worst part. That gives a pretty clear picture.
Even if you’re not interested in going the testing route, I would consider getting a referral to a ped GI. That’s just my opinion though. It sounds like you have a great ped, and that’s amazing. But I’ve learned the hard way that even great peds (and supposedly great GIs) often don’t know too much about reflux. I remember “Lisaan” saw a GI who she really liked in Ohio, I think at Columbus, but it might have been at the other hospital. I can check if you’re interested. We have an amazing ped, and he doesn’t know too much about reflux- even though he’s one of the best in the city- but thankfully he isn’t arrogant, and was willing to admit that he didn’t know everything. We’ve seen various specialists since then, and some are better than others.
What (if any) symptoms does Sander show these days other than the feeding? Any silent reflux symptoms?
Now, about the feeding… I certainly know where you’re coming from about the feeding issues, probably to the extreme. And I’ll tell you that I’ve learned that mommy’s instinct tends to be right in these situations. We’ve seen many feeding specialists-doctors and therapists to address Hailey’s issues. Most docs, including our GI have looked only at the weight and not the behaviour to see if there’s a problem or not. I look at the whole picture. Firstly, I would say to look at Sander’s growth curve to see if there’s a problem or not. If he’s pretty much stayed along the same curve, even with slow growth, and he’s been eating willingly and supporting his weight willingly (i.e. not by sleep feeding or force feeding or extremely unusual desperate measures required to get calories into him), then you are probably not in too bad of a place. I don’t mean that to say that he doesn’t have a problem, but that he is likely growing along his own curve even though he’s small. If he’s dropped percentiles along the way, or hasn’t demonstrated even growth during his first year, or if you’ve had to force feed him or resort to drastic measures to get him to eat, then I would say that all of those things are not normal. If you are going to try some testing, that might give you the best answers. But even if not, I’d say that some feeding therapy is warranted. A feeding therapist can assess the situation and tell you if his refusal to eat is just “him”, temperament, normal fussy eating, or if there’s more to it. Either way they can give you suggestions to help move him forward and help you by giving you recommendations of things to try, and things not to do. I highly recommend feeding therapy. It was a miracle for us.
Having a child who doesn’t eat or who eats poorly can be very stressful, especially when people minimize the situation. Our family often says that Hailey doesn’t have a problem with her eating and that she’s just a fussy picky eater, or that I’m the problem, and I’ve given up trying to explain things to them. People see what they want to see. Our feeding therapist once told us that the majority of babies she sees had reflux at some time or another- that’s not a coincidence.
You mention that he gets colds constantly. Is he in daycare? If so, how does he eat at daycare and what do the daycare providers think of his eating compared to the other children.
In the meantime, colds always made Hailey’s reflux flare by a million times, as did teething. Can you try some mylanta before a feed and see if that helps things a bit? Or can you ask your doc to try prevacid again and see if that makes an improvement for him?
Good luck sorting things out. Feeding problems are really an awful thing, worse then the reflux even, I often feel. HUGS. Please pm me if you ever want to talk.
April 10, 2007 at 5:45 pm #30032Anonymous
InactiveTHANK YOU LORI! I think I am going to print out your email and take it with me to my next appt.. Not so much to show it to my ped, but to reference.
From about 6 weeks, he started screaming while eating. It sometimes took 45 minutes to get 3 ozs down him. Yes, there was back arching, but not awful arching. He kept up this behavior until about 5 months. Then, he gradually got better. He did ok with cereal and stage 1 at first. But, slowly, he started refusing them, and again, screaming when he ate. As I tried chunkier foods, it only got worse. Now, he has a day here and there where he will eat whatever I give him. Mostly, though, we have to fight to feed him.
He sometimes will eat finger foods (lately, he’s been really enjoying Honey Nut Cheerios). But mostly, he throws them over his highchair.
Do I just ask for a referal to a Ped GI? What happens if my Ped says no? I am ok with getting more tests done…whatever it takes. I just want my baby to enjoy eating like a normal person. What a dream that would be for BOTH of us.
Sander started life out at 50th% weight and height. Moved up briefly to 50th weight, 85th height, but has continued to go down since then. At his 9 month, he was 40th for weight. Now, he’s 5th. We do sort-of have to force feed-him, but not all of the time, and he always takes formula well, lately.
I don’t know why I am so afraid to offend my Ped.. He’s a sweet man, and Idoubt would get angry. I just feel as if he thinks I’m a hypochondriac (sp?). But I just KNOW something is wrong.
your email just made me cry. I feel so relieved to just have someone hear me.
THANK YOU!!
Will keep everyone updated!
April 10, 2007 at 10:02 pm #30047Anonymous
InactiveMummy instincts are the best there is. Please trust them…I have often thought I was a hypochondriac and call myself a “frequent flyer” when I go to the family dr… But its mummy’s right to be those things. I felt vindicated one day when I saw an email from my hubby to a friend who had just announced his wife’s pregnancy…it said just remember “mummy knows best” (of course he never tells me that
).I’m sorry I don’t have any specific advice because I have never really expereinced this, but I would agree with Lori, for most adults its food that causes reflux so it is probably the case for children as well.
Goodluck at the peads and please keep us updated.
April 11, 2007 at 12:38 pm #30072Anonymous
InactiveI know how you feel about not wanting to offend your ped. In our case, my ped was the first right off the bat to suggest the ped GI referral- he admitted that Hailey’s situation was beyond his expertise. But I also don’t want to belittle him, because he’s a very well respected ped and he’s done quite well by my kids. So even when I know that I know more about something, I’m always cautious not to offend him. I don’t know why either. But really, that’s what he’s there for, and so you just need to tell him what you see going on, what you want done, and know that in the end, Sander is YOUR child- you know him best, and you’re the one that lives with him. He might be his doctor but you’re his MOTHER, so it doesn’t really matter what he thinks of you. That’s what I tell myself now, since most docs we’ve seen think I’m a crazy mother who feeds my daughter at night because I’m paranoid about her not eating, and because of this she won’t eat during the day. (Our ped, is actually the only one who supports me- he knows what we’ve been through on this whole journey.) I honestly don’t really care anymore, though, as long as I can the Hailey the help that she needs.
You just need to ask your ped for a referral to a ped GI. Just tell him that you’re concerned about Sander’s situation and that you just want to cover your bases. Hopefully he’ll humour you.
In re-reading your initial post, maybe your ped meant that it is easier to reflux liquids because they’re lighter and come up more easily. But solids tend to be large culprits in aggravating reflux.
Based on what you tell me about Sander’s history, I would certainly ask for a referral to a feeding therapist. It sounds similar to what happened to Hailey in that she started out okay with solids, but then slowly started crying and refusing solids as well. Partly it was due to uncontrolled reflux still causing pain, partly it was hypersensitive gag, some underdeveloped oral skills, and then her overall feeding aversion, but the therapy was a great help for her. It really made a big difference. Of course, she still is fussy and eats by her own standards- quantities so small that it would make other parents cringe, but I’ve accepted that is Hailey and probably will be for a while.
When we were in the thick of it, I had people and specialists telling me that there was nothing wrong with her feeding. I knew that regardless of how much she ate, that a child should like the idea of eating- they shouldn’t scream and cry and refuse eating all the time. I stuck with this until we found a therapist who knew a lot about reflux associated feeding issues. She assured me that our situation was not normal and that I was not crazy, and that Hailey’s eating was not normal.
Good luck and HUGS. I know how isolating it can feel, but you’re not alone. Please keep us posted.
s&h’s mum2007-4-12 7:14:25
April 11, 2007 at 2:13 pm #30082Anonymous
InactiveI wouldn’t worry about offending your ped.(mommy instinct beats everything in my book
.).none of Brianna’s drs. even thought she had reflux (she was the silent type), but I presisted. We ended up having to get an endoscopy and it showed damage to the esophagus, despite being on 15 mgs of prevacid (Brianna was actually on Nexium for a while to heal the erosion). Also about the liquid/solid thing I do remember reading that (at least going down) liquids can kind of soothe the burn of reflux…it is coming back up that they hurt. I would imagine that since solids are so rough and have different textures they wouldn’t soothe the throat going down. Good luckApril 11, 2007 at 10:15 pm #30164Anonymous
Inactiveif your son has gone from the 40th % to the 5th% in only 3 months—-there is definitely a problem. just my opinion—-but i don’t think that even a child genetically predisposed to be small should be dropping that much on the charts in such a short time.
two of my kids have had esophageal thrush. after sylvia had her fundo she started eating worse rather than better and was not gaining weight. she would refuse food after a bite or two and she did an awful lot of chewing her food and then spitting it out instead of swallowing——she would nurse fine, though. she also would make a funny noise like she was clearing her throat. the ped gi put her on diflucan based on her symptoms (we didn’t scope her for it) and she started to eat, sleep and gain weight. kassie had a scope a few months before she was diagnosed with celiac and you could see raised white spots all over her esophagus. i thought that esophageal thrush was rare, but our ped gi told me that it is not as rare as people think it is, especially in someone with a chronic condition such as reflux.
i’d really recommend getting to a ped gi.
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