May 26, 2008 at 9:08 pm #51783AnonymousInactive
Great link. I am obsessed with Cooper’s poop and my mom thinks I am crazy… I now feel normal. I will def say that none of his poops have looked like some of those. Pretty neat stuff… who thought poop could be so interesting.May 27, 2008 at 3:44 pm #51797AnonymousInactive
Well, we did not have any test done. we know because Kendra’s bm’s has had grany stuff in it ever since she was 8 montsh old (she is almost 22 montsh old now) and she is mostly on Neocate.We are treating her gut issues naturally as well as trying to regulate her calicum problem with suplements and diet.Amanda:I’ll be interested in knowing some what are some of the carbohydrates recommended in the diet. I have considered the diet, but haven’t found enough free info to learn more.I am glad it ha sworked for your little ones.thanks aheadLeoMay 27, 2008 at 5:16 pm #51807AnonymousInactive
I hope I am not diving off this site’s parameters but I wanted to post a little synopsis I created after reading the Breaking the Vicious Cycle book by Elaine Gottschall and researching the http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info site and the http://www.pecanbread.com sites for the Specific Carbohydrate Diet in order to help my family with their continued digestive problems. My children like many on this site had severe reflux. We seemed to be sensitive to a lot of random foods. We used neocate. We nursed with a maternal elimination diet. Of course we used a lot of PPI’s and antacids and over time this caused malabsorption which kept them from benefitting from their dietary intake of nutrients. We’ve been to the GI and the allergist and the voo doo grandma’s house and done food elimination and all that jazz and still, gut problems remained along with obvious allergy signs like eczema, shiners, red bottoms, reflux, ear issues, and on and on…. I don’t know much, but I know my kids have never been so well in their lives-all three of them after just 6 weeks on this diet. Normalized formed stools, burping on their own, increased intake of fluids, increased interest in new foods, better sleeping patterns, less crankiness, better focus in play, no eczema at all anywhere on their previously covered bodies, and less overeating and anxiety at meal times, plus weight was gained in the smaller child and lost in the child who was a bit overweight. I know it is still early but if this can help anybody else, I would like to share the basics of it. Thank heaven for the grainy poop that led me to Elaine Gottschall’s book and why in the world aren’t they handing these out at the GI office? I asked our pedi GI’s nurse practioner and she and hospital nutritionist had never even heard of SCD and it’s been around forever! This book advertises on it’s cover that it is a known diet for Crohn’s, Ulcerative colitis, diverticulitis, celiac, cystic fibrosis, chronic diarrhea, and for autism spectrum disorders. This book is in it’s 12th printing and the author herself, a mother like us with a child who needed help, passed away in 2005 though many dedicated people continue to spread her work to help others.
HOW DOES IT WORK?
q The SCD diet excludes and removes ALL starches and complex sugars. This removal helps kill major yeast and bacterial overgrowth. Malabsorption decreases, rebalancing gut flora and encouraging healing. Feeding SCD yogurt or probiotics repopulates the gut with “good bugs” that keep yeast and bad bacteria in check. Digestion normalizes. Behavior, cognitive and language development begin to improve. We have seen how well it works for many, many children.
q When the diseased intestines are inflamed by the effects of *dysbiosis, they cannot break down molecules that are too large to be transported across the small intestinal surface into the bloodstream. Instead of entering the bloodstream, undigested starch and sugar molecules serve as a continual source of food for bacteria and fungus. The mission of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet is removal of all sources of those carbohydrates with a molecular structure that is too large for entry into the bloodstream.
q Removal of starches and complex sugars corrects dysbiosis and is followed by a decrease in intestinal inflammation so the gastrointestinal tract can heal.
q The SCD priority is to deal with the CAUSE of the gluten and casein intolerance rather than just treating the symptoms. SCD looks at things from an advanced scientific perspective and takes things a step further than some other diets because SCD deals with the structure of the gut wall first, not just the gluten and dairy culprits.
When the gut wall is severely damaged, instead of just patching up and supplementing piecemeal, SCD works to repair the underlying damage, it targets what the body is ABLE to digest. It is selective about the food and its components and where and how that food gets digested. Major problems are attributed to carbohydrates in combination with pathogenic bacteria, yeast and parasites. And current scientific findings support this conclusion. Research by Horvath (University of Maryland) and Buie (Harvard) uncovered carbohydrate malabsorption in ASD children; the work of Shaw reports gut microorganisms are the culprit in ASD *dysbiosis – an imbalance and its symptoms in the gastrointestinal tract of chronic nature.
q Specific Carbohydrate Diet In Brief from the Breaking the Vicious Cycle Book by Elaine Gottschall
(this is not a carb free or sugar free diet-it is the removal of starch and sugar so the body can heal itself)
q Diet rules: Strict no illegal foods during diet. Stage one endures until diarrhea or constipation subside. Stage two begins when bowels normalize. Hyperactivity is a sign that the body is detoxing faster than the system can process and on this diet there is a 10 day yeast die off during which time children will experience more negative behaviors until the “yeast” completely leaves their system. Never take a brand for granted and always check the label. Continue diet one full year past the last observed symptom. Seeds/raw foods are a stage two food. Buy a crock pot especially for soupy or moisture rich dishes. Start by making “condiments”. A weekly menu and cooking schedule also a good idea. Double up cooking and freeze half. http://www.pecanbread.com/new/scdfoods1.html for child basics. http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/legal/legal_illegal_d-n.htm for legal foods by name alpha list.
q Recipes: free web recipes: pecanbread.com for children or breakingtheviciouscycle.info for adults
Breaking the Vicious Cycle book by pioneer Elaine Gotschall w/ recipes $25 Barnes & Noble or $22 amazon.com free shipping
q Online bakers/suppliers: http://www.lucyskitchenshop.com/ http://www.digestivewellness.com/ http://www.sunnylandfarms.com/ http://www.scdbakery.com/ http://www.jgourmet.ca/ digestive wellness has best overall selection. The SCD bakery for parties.
q Supplements/Treatments: GI Pro Child http://www.giprohealth.com or Freeda Vitamins http://www.digestivewellness.com , digestive enzymes like GI ProZymes. Must contain only the filler cellulose and not any sugars or starches to be legal on this diet. For probiotics avoid bifidus strains and choose instead lactobacillus bulgaricus, l. acidophilus, S. thermophilus-no need for pills if you make the yogurt from the recipes. Watch for medicines, treats, toothpastes, etc. that may contain starch or sugar. Only take medicines with these elements if they are essential.
q Epsom salt 2 cups warm baths are encouraged to help with detoxing but should not be overdone.
q electrolyte mixture: 1 quart boiled water, 2 tbsp honey, ¼ tsp salt, ¼ tsp baking soda.
q Goat yogurt is made with: quart goat milk (health store), unflavored unsweetened commercial yogurt (grocery store) and your stove/oven. Easier than the recipe sounds-mix with fruit to sweeten but do not freeze! Keeps in fridge 2-3 weeks. Pull out as needed. GREAT source of probiotic health and tends to have immediate impact on stool, flatulence, and appetite.
q Nuts: best tolerated in buttered form, then flour, then as pieces then as whole nuts. Pecans are best tolerated form followed by almonds, brazil, hazel, walnut, chestnut. Wise to delay or avoid cashews and peanuts containing “anti enzymes” and are hard to digest. Coffee grinders are helpful with creaming nuts for butters and flours. Wafflemakers help with homemade “breads”. Nut flours available online-almond flour is best and cheapest.
q Spices: best purchased separately and not in “blends”. Garlic and onions best purchased fresh to avoid starch base. parsley, salt, pepper, bay leaves, vanilla extract, etc. are fine given they do not contain sugars or starches.
q Dairy: Avocadoes may be used in place of butter (use in one sitting as they turn). Cultured butter (health store) is far better than margarine which contains fillers and sugars. Also allowed on this diet is eggs, dry curd cottage cheese, muenster cheese, Colby cheese, jack cheese, Swiss cheese, cheddar cheese, and 100% pure parmesan cheese. Homemade yogurt is necessary to make many recipes and to consume probiotics-see online or book to find long recipe. Starters: baked “cottage” cheese (dry curd cheese, honey, butter, egg 350 for 15 minutes). Egg “pizza”. Egg substitutes: pureed squash, mash banana, homemade apple or pear sauce or 3 tbsp plain gelatin dissolved.
q Canned items include fish and salmon packed in either oil or water-check ingredients every time. Fruits canned in only their own juices and not any form of sugars. Some juices as listed below.
q Staple items: Knox gelatin (blend with juice to make jello) easy!!!, Heinz/Campbell tomato juice to make stock or paste, lightest color honey possible (boiled for 10 minutes for children under age 2), baking soda replaces powder in recipes. Saccharin is allowed. Plain mustard is usually fine-mix with honey if you like. Vanilla extract without corn syrup is legal-available online http://www.digestivewellness.com . Lemon juice legal.
q Homemade mayonnaise: egg, 1 cup oil, 1 tbsp lemon juice, ¼ tsp dry mustard powder, s/p, little honey
q Homemade salad dressing: vinegar or lemon juice, any oils, salt pepper, dry mustard powder, garlic glove peeled
q Homemade gravy: boiled pureed onion, real meat stock/drippings, homemade mayonnaise 2 tbsp per cup liquid
q Homemade ketchup: 2 cups tomato juice, 3 tbsp white vinegar, honey, bay leaf, salt/pepper-simmer to thicken then add honey. Marinara online http://www.digestivewellness.com but easy to make yourself if you get the legal Heinz juice.
q Oils: olive, coconut, sunflower, saffron, corn oil, soy oil (oil is fat and not a protein therefore milk and soy allergies do not usually include oils so soy lecithin is okay). Oils can substitute for butter in recipes but use less. Vinegar is fine given no sugar or starch added. Seeds are a stage two food.
q Meats: must be roasted, broiled, or boiled in stage one and then fried or baked in stage two. Beef, chicken, fish, pork, turkey, hens are all fine and oscar meyer bacon which does not include nitrates can be crisply cooked and eaten once a week legally. Those with milk /soy problems may not be able to eat beef. Starter: Ck egg drop soup. Ck pancakes.
q Vegetables: during stage one, all must be cooked, peeled, and seedless. All must be frozen or fresh-no canned vegetables are legal. During stage two, vegetables may be eaten raw if desired. If possible, buy fresh, cook, skin and freeze separately to use as needed. Varieties include: carrots, zucchini, spinach, green beans, tomato, cauliflower, squash, cabbage, lettuce, French not Jerusalem artichokes, cucumber, asparagus, mushroom, watercress, beet, eggplant, olives, peas, pickles, pumpkin, onions, and beans which must be soaked for at least an hour to remove starches. Absolutely no potatoes, okra, chickpeas, or garbanzo beans all of which are starch rich. Double check the online list for legal beans. Starters: cauliflower “mashed potatoes”. Squash “fries”. Carrot “chips”. “Spaghetti” squash and our favorite cauliflower “omelettes”.
q Fruits: during stage one all must be cooked, peeled, and seedless except the banana which must have brown spots and in no way appear new or green. During stage two, raw fruits may be eaten. It is wise to limit raisins and other dried fruits and avoid those with sulfur or which appear to be sticky from sugar used to separate them in processing. Fresh, frozen or canned in their own juices are allowed. Varieties include: ripe bananas, apples, apricot, pear, pineapple, peach, plum, lemon, lime, papaya, watermelon, berries all, figs, dates, kiwi, grapes peeled, cherry, strawberry, orange, mango, coconut, grapefruit, limited prunes and raisins. Starters: banana/egg/butter/honey “pancakes”. Pear/apple/honey “sauce”. Dehydrators help with making homemade fruits for stage 2.
q Drinks: dry wine, occasional bourbon, gin or vodka and diet soda are allowed. Some orange juices have no added sugar. Dole pineapple juice, 100% grapefruit juice, Knudson just juice line, welch’s 100%grape juices with no calcium fortification, sugars or starches. Homemade coconut or almond milks are legal in stage two. Weakly brewed tea, coffee or apple cider are legal. Herbal teas include peppermint and spearmint. Milkshakes made with homemade yogurt, fruits and honey or saccharin. Fresh squeezed legal fruits.
q Baby formula or toddler “milk” drink: 3 tbsp dry curd uncreamed cottage cheese, 1 tbsp unrefined safflower oil w/out BHT or BHA plus 2 tbsp pasteurized boiled honey-add sterile water to make 2 cups total mixture. Use larger nipple hole. Refrigerate/cover unused. Consume within 24 hours. Double/triple recipe as needed. Comparable to breast milk but without the vitamins/minerals. Temporary use for infants.
Illegal elements in foods:
q There are pretty much no legal pre-made foods but you can freeze your own cooking to achieve the same purpose.
q No hydrogenated shortening. Can get organic shortening at digestivewellness.com
q No Nitrates which are often found in prepackaged meats
q No Sulfates which are often found in dried fruits and other processed foods
q No Starches including corn, rice, etc. includes potatoes, sweet potatoes, okra, chickpeas, garbanzo and all other beans not cooked and drained for one hour to release starch.
q The natural cheese mozzarella and ricotta contain lactose are should not be consumed-some cheeses allowed-provalone, muenster, cheddar, Colby, swiss, jack, see list….
q No chocolate or carob products.
q No Pectin for canning-honey is preferred sweetener on this diet.
q No ice cream unless you make it dry curd cottage cheese and honey and other legal ingredients.
q No commercial yogurt unless you make it homemade with goat milk and lactic acid probiotics. This is easier than it sounds in the book.
q No ketchup which is 40% sugar.
q No bread or flours (even bean flours are starchy)- make your own from ground up pecans or other legal nuts like coconut or almonds but wait until later in the diet.
q No pasta-use instead shredded eggs into “noodles” or shaved zuccini baked into noodles.
q No margarine-use instead cultured butter, pecan nut butter, or avacado. (Health Hut)
q No baking powder-use instead baking soda.
q No instant soups or instant broth bases.
q No milk solids, no soy milk products except soy oil, no buttermilk, or sour cream-use instead almond butter to make milk or coconut milk but use these only later in the diet.
q Cashews are starchy and contain enzyme inhibitors-delay or avoid them. Peanuts are similar.
q No instant coffees and instant teas, or beer. All are all illegal. No boxed drinks-they all contain sugars even if the label says they don’t. black teas, brewed teas, mint herbal teas are all fine with saccharine or honey.
q No applejuice of any kind-they all contain sugar even if the label says they don’t.
q Probiotic blends containing FOS are illegal as this is a sugar that “feeds” all bacteria-good and bad kinds alike. They add FOS to keep the bacteria alive long enough for you to ingest it but this backfires when the FOS feeds everybody.
ALL ILLEGAL & CAUTIONARY FOODS:
according to SCD, none of:
q milk solids
q chocolate carob
q baking powder instant broth bases
q hydrogenated fats
q yogurt from store
q soy milk buttermilk whole milk
q FOS in probiotic blends
q ricotta mozarella
q breads flours pasta
q sour cream
q brown sugar
q ready made foods
q ice cream
q boxed juices
q corn syrup
q table sugar
q xantham gum
q agar agar carrageenan
q BHT BHQT BHA
q canned vegetables of any kind
q Canned fruits in anything but their own juices
q Canned salmon or tuna with illegal starches/sugars added
q Vitamins, toothpaste etc with illegal additives
FOLLOWING FOODS AVOID FOR SPECIFIC PROBLEMS SCD LIKELY CORRECTS OVER TIME:
q High oxalate foods: beer, chocolate, oatmeal, soy, popcorn, grapes, celery, eggplant, okra, parsely, pepper, cocoa, berries, tea, wheat, figs, kiwi, beans, nuts, seeds, beets, pumpkin, potato, spinach, squash, turnips, yams
q Blood type o positive bad foods: dairy, corn, wheat, pork, ham, coconut, orange, tangerine, peanut, soda, bacon, blk tea, kiwi, cantaloupe, honeydew, kidney/navy beans, pinto beans, pickle, ketchup, mayo
q Yeasty foods: breads, rolls, cakes, crackers, pizza, beer, cereal, pastries, sugar, honey, corn syrup, raisins, fruit juices undiluted, cheese, vinegar, ketchup, saurkraut, vine dressing, bbq sauces, sour cream, olives, mustard, capers, cider, tea, mushrooms, pickles
q Hypoglycemic avoidance foods: refined cereals, rye, pita, wheat, sweets, nuts, fats, brown rice, maple, tropical fruits, melons, raisins, potatoes, honey, rice, sugar.
MAY 2008 SHORT CUT SHEET OF LEGAL FOODS
Specific Carbohydrate Approved Foods
drinks: blk tea, green tea, coffee, spearmint tea
apple cider, plain water,wine dry,
diluted orange juice, pineapple juice, grape juice
bfast – snack – dessert ideas:
baked cinamon apple dipped in SCD honey blend
banana based fruit smoothie – see fruits below
dehydrated fruits – see fruits below
dry curd cottage cheese w/ SCD jam swirled in
SCD homemade yogurt w/ SCD jam swirl
SCD baked items – see staples below
welch’s grape juice knox gelatin jello
dehydrated meat to jerky
pork rinds ck ingredients
fruit list: all peeled, cooked, seedless & OK mashed for baby too
brown spotted banana need not be cooked!
melons, prunes, pears, raisins, nectarine,
mango, paypaya, oranges, passion fruit, tangerine
peach, plum, pineapple, apple, banana, peeled grapes,
coconut oil for cooking fruit
staples: almond butter/flour, coconut flour, nut flours
honey lemon blend, pure marinara, plain mustard
coconut oil, safflower oil, almond oil, olive oil, vinegar
all spices OK buy single no blends and fresh is OK too
pickles, can tom juice, olives, local honey
Vegetable list: peeled cooked seedless & OK mashed for baby
yellow squash, zuccini, grean beans, cauliflower,
Asparagus, carrots,tomato, mushroom
pumpkin, eggplant, fresh limas, fresh onion, peas,
fresh navy beans, rutabaga, watercress, NO TURNIPS
olive oil for cooking veggies
dairy list: eggs, muenster, cheddar, colby cheese, gouda
100% parmesean, provolone, romano, swiss
havarti, real butter, SCD yogurt
meat list: whole chicken, chicken breasts, pork,
catfish, salmon, shellfish, can tuna oil
roast steak and burgers , turkey, hensI have a booklet I made to get myself organized too with baking tips, recipies i have collected, info about acidity, how to join their pecanbread yahoo group, gradually introducing foods, a grocery list, vitamins we use, our menu for the week and mistakes not to make to destroy the goal of the SCD program. Put your email in your post and i’ll be happy to email them out to you.One last thing, this seems like a lot of work but when the troublesome symptoms of my children disappeared there was suddenly more time for and more enjoyment in preparing this food. I am still as busy but it is far more pleasant than it was before SCD!amanda 😉p.s. I hope this is okay for this site!!! if not, i’m apologizing in advance!!!May 27, 2008 at 10:37 pm #51816
THANK YOU!!! Anything to help others! This is related to reflux as a lot of these issues are related! I wonder if there’s a way to post your booklet here somewhere? maybe you could email Karen, the site Administer/owner/creator?May 30, 2008 at 10:31 am #51918AnonymousInactivefor those interested in spec carb diet,I just wanted to add to the SCD info that for children, they really encourage a dairy free form of this diet which means even cultured butter and natural cheeses should be delayed until the child is showing enough health to be trialing dairy. The way to get around this with the “miracle yogurt” is to use goat milk to make it. This is all pretty well emphasized in the pecanbread.com site and also in the Breaking the Viciousl Cycle book by Elaine Gottschall. Just wanted to make sure I added this as we here are all about the kids!Hi there Ms Laura! Let me go on with the diet a bit more and see if I learn anything else to add to the booklet. Once I work out the kinks, I’ll email the list owner and see if she’s OK with starting a document bank and putting this in there. I notice lots of other lists have a doc bank and it keep the posting topics from being repeated. I know you have tons of stuff that could be made into docs with your helpful intro! Maybe one for MSPI, one for just reflux, one for allergies and so on… just a thought!July 6, 2008 at 4:52 pm #53442AnonymousInactive
hi everyone! i found something on another list that i thought might help some children here on this forum…i always go back to IRF since that’s where all my kids healing first started (sniff sniff)…here’s the link about vitamin k and nosebleeds and a variety of linkeages: http://www.ctds.info/nose_bleeds.htmlhappy 4th! amanda 😉May 7, 2012 at 2:11 pm #70318AnonymousInactive
Hi guys! I don’t have reflux in my house anymore but when I find something good I always try to come back here and share it since this is where we first started our healing journey 8 years ago. We have been on an SCD enhanced diet using http://www.pecanbread.com for years now, five to be exact and I have recently come across two other protocols for intestinal healing, improved immune function and overall health that I thought some moms might want to read about. One is the GAPS protocol which is really based on Elaine Gottschall’s diet but was modified by a neurologist who had a son on the autism spectrum. She incorporated a lot of Weston Price Diet principles and a great deal of fermented foods and cultured foods to naturally populate the gut and keep digestive issues away. Her clinic has helped hundreds of people and now she is training GAPS practitioners all over the world and recovering children with autism, asthma, ADHD and allergies. Many of these same conditions are also related to heart disease, dementia, dyslexia, and cancer. Here are a few videos that I thought might be of interest and of course if you have questions for me, please do ask. I have seen amazing strides with the Weston Price principles as espoused in Sally Fallon’s book Nutritional Healing. This information has been around for over 100 years and it is so shocking that doctors practicing today seem to know zero about it and 100% how to medicate and do procedures on our little folks. Anyway, here are the video links:
Here are a few books you guys might be interested in if these videos ring true for your family’s situation:
• Nourishing Traditions by Sally FALLON, (Weston Price Principles culturing, broths, fermenting, good fats ADE and K2)
• Breaking the Vicious Cycle by Elaine GOTTSCHALL (gut health and connection to many disorders of our day-based on an old diet)
• Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston PRICE (how he obtained all his research and his x factor k2 discovery)
• Cure Tooth Decay by R. NAGEL (a money saving book and very revealing about how to really take care of teeth) Here is the video summary and worth watching although you can tell the author is new to video making:
• Prescription for Natural Healing 5th edition by BALCH (a very complete reference for every ailment you could have and the natural remedies to tackle it yourself including dosing by age-wonderful resource book)
• Gut and Psychology Syndrome and Put Your Heart in Your Mouth by Natasha CAMPBELL (her books are based on the Gottschall work’s same SCD diet and are for diabetes, cancer, autism, epilepsy, etc. and you can read an interview here: http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/InterviewNatashaCampbell-McBrideGAPS.pdf )
Her GAPS protocol for kids with gut issues on video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLP0Ijo2CK4
Also her Heart book summarized on video here: http://www.doctor-natasha.com/heart-in-your-mouth-book.php
• Healing the 4A disorders by Dr. Kenneth BOCK (For Allergies, Asthma, Autism or ADHD, and the case for diet, detox and good targetted supplements – how what is affecting the young population now will be affecting us all soon)
• Regaining and Maintaining Your Health by RISLEY (Cayce remedies for every ailment and a full explanation of metal toxicity in today’s foods and environments)
• Encyclopedia of Healing by KARP (the recording of Cayce’s remedies such as the wonderful castor oil packs for intestinal healing)
• The Green Body Cleanse by Dr. GROUP III ( a very good primer on environmental chemicals and toxins and gut repair)
• I would also sign up for email newsletters from http://www.drmercola.com He is onto some of the most pressing health issues of our day and he cites his work and sources properly.
I also have a large document with summaries of all these books along with many helpful tips I have compiled over the years. If you reply to this post with your email address, I will happily share it with you. blessings to you in your healing journey! Amanda, mom of 4 now healthy darlin’s 😉May 7, 2012 at 8:47 pm #70320
hi amanda! thanks! I love collecting information!! I remember you!!!May 9, 2012 at 10:05 am #70322AnonymousInactive
Hi there Laura! I was just curious as I haven’t followed this list in a while..have the moms here already heard about b12 and the antacids?May 9, 2012 at 4:58 pm #70325
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