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February 20, 2006 at 4:10 pm #1998AnonymousInactive
Hello all….it has been so long since I’ve posted anything. Things have really been crazy for our family. After everything that happened with the babysitter (some of you may remember our story), we have moved to be closer to my family because now they are the only ones I trust to keep him. I got a new job and he is now staying with my mother. The case against the babysitter goes to grand jury this month and we’ll see what happens. The legal system is so slow. Anyway, the good news is that the neurologists say that Dylan is doing great. He is doing all that a normal, healthy 7 1/2 month old should be doing. We are so blessed!!! What a miracle.
Dylan’s reflux seems to be under control. He plays well all day and doesn’t seem to be in pain. His spitting up has decreased dramatically, but he still is no where near sleeping all night. He wakes up every 3 hours (maybe more) and absolutely will not go back to sleep until I give him a bottle. He usually only takes about 3 or 4 ounces, but then he goes right back to sleep….most of the time. Sometimes he fusses and wants me to pick him up and hold him….when I do, he falls right back to sleep in my arms so I don’t think he’s in pain or anything.
I really need to get some sleep. We have been willing to hold him and feed him whenever he needed it because of everything he’s been through, but now that he is doing so well, we want him to be able to sleep all night.
I know many of you are against CIO, but a few of you have had success with it or some modified version of it…. I am convinced that he’s going to have to do some crying to get through this. I was worried about letting him do this, but all of his doctors say that there is no reason he can’t cry some. So I was wanting any advice from anyone who has used some form of CIO with sucess.
Thanks!
February 20, 2006 at 4:43 pm #2000AnonymousInactiveSara,
Glad to hear about Dylan doing so well! Yea!!!
I am in the same boat. Jack is almost the same age as Dylan, and he wakes at least 3-4xs per night and takes food. Again, I dont think he is hungry, just used to it. At times he stirs and goes back to sleep on his own, so I know he can.
I am sooo scared to try CIO. I did one night and lasted 3 minutes! I am the baby! I was wondering about any modifications that have been successful as well. I tried offering the pacifier, but he spit it out and would not calm until he had a bottle. Like Dylan, he eats only 3-4 ounces.
What do you think about offering water at night to see if that will deter the waking???
February 20, 2006 at 7:54 pm #2024AnonymousInactiveIt was hard! I won’t lie. And we felt bad, but knew we all needed sleep. Our Dylan’s reflux was completely under control when we did it, though, so I would just want to make sure that was the case with your little ones.
We committed to one week. We would not go in and see what happened. Yes the first night was more than 2 hours. The second night was about an hour or so. The third night was about half an hour. Then we all slept through the night since, and Dylan is not scarred for it. We did commit to do it and we were consistant. However you decide to sleep train, CIO or something else, as long as you are consistant, I think you will be fine.
Wishing you glorious sleep!
Ann Marie
February 20, 2006 at 8:13 pm #2026AnonymousInactiveWe did pretty much the same thing as Ann Marie described. Kaelyn was around 8 or 9 months old and her reflux was almost completely under control (not gone, but under control). We were fortunate that it only took 20 minutes the first night, 10 the next and then about 5 the next night. At the time she was actually sleeping through the night for the most part. We did CIO to get her to bed at night without a bottle.
February 20, 2006 at 8:44 pm #2030AnonymousInactiveCIO worked wonders for Hailey. I’m all about business in the middle of the night and after having a baby that didn’t sleep at all for about the first 5 or 6 months, I was pretty motivated to try CIO. We also tried to be sure that her reflux was under control, but I think this can be fairly tough to be sure of. Seemingly easy to explain what to watch for but I remember at the time constantly second guessing myself. It took around 2 weeks for Hailey. It was brutal. I can remember one night going for nearly 2 hours. We did a modified CIO where we put her down, gave her 15 or so minutes, went in and consoled her without picking her up or talking, left, gave her 15 more minutes, etc. The key was no talking or picking her up. Eventually, she just fell asleep. As the days went by, the crying was less and less. It was very rewarding at the end to have a baby who would sleep 12 hours through the night. For middle of the night wakings, we also did CIO. We usually didn’t go in for 15-30 minutes of her waking. She was a baby who didn’t care to eat though so middle of the night feedings were never an issue, she gave these up very early on. I will say that I really think there are some babies who can’t be trained. And I also think what works for one baby may or may not work for another baby. I really think you need to be open to different ways to teaching your baby to sleep on their own.
Good luck!
February 20, 2006 at 9:11 pm #2034AnonymousInactiveSo glad to hear that Dylan is doing well!
Up until 3 nights ago I was completely feeling what you are. I
haven’t posted this yet for fear of jinxing myself but we are on night
3 of Zach finally sleeping all night. Since Zach was not a really
good eater, I was more than willing to offer him a bottle in the middle
of the night. At about 8 months I hit my breaking point. He
was finally eating solids well and when I would offer a bottle in the
middle of the night, he would only take an ounce or so and that’s when
I realized this was happening out of habit. His reflux had been
under control since about 6 months so we decided to try CIO. We
tried the modified version and would try to go in to console him after
15 minutes or so but that just made it worse. He would stand in
his crib and shake the rails until he would fall and then we would rush
in and I would feel terrible.
Finally we decided to shut off the monitor, shut his bedroom door and
ours too and just let him cry. Like Ann Marie, we too committed
for a week. The first night was horrible. I think I got
less sleep than before. The next night he would fuss just a bit
and then go back to sleep and the third night he slept from 9:00 until
6:30 when we had to wake him. I’m keeping my fingers
crossed! Hopefully you’ll find what works for you. I truly
believe it depends on the little one. Zach is just the type that
is too stubborn and CIO was our only option if our house wanted to
sleep! Sending good sleep vibes……..February 21, 2006 at 1:01 pm #2105AnonymousInactiveHey – in lui of CIO I suggest the Baby Whisperers pick up put down (pupd) technique. . . try it with the first wake up for the first three days to a week and then do the next wake up etc. It really worked wonders for my chronic night waker. The thing I found with CIO (and believe me we did it) was that it only served to stress me out and make my dd (Sophia) mistrustful of what the heck I was doing at night with her. IE – its not consistent because most times your mothers heart can’t take the crying! If you do the CIO and it doesn’t work within 10-20 minutes I would reconsider training technique. Of course everyone has got to let their lo’s CIO once in a while but it wasn’t for us to break a really bad habit with my dd.
The pupd technique is this – you go in when they start to cry, you pick them up VERY breifly and say “its time to sleep” or some reassuring catch phrase. DO NOT sound sympathetic as its all about being in charge. After the baby stops crying (a minute or so) lay them down immediately and say ok – time for bed. If they pop back up crying – repeat the whole thing. The key is to continue to be consistent with making it clear that its time for bed and they are not getting up with you. My daughter had MSPI and reflux and was up EVERY hour for a year – after we straightened out the medical side of things we had a terrible sleeper on our hands. This was the only way we finally cured her of it. Works great for relapses too. In some ways its very similiar to CIO in that there is a lot of crying . .. its more tedious because your really reinforcing but it seems to be much more of a teaching thing than just saying OK – your stuck in your crib and too bad. I sort of felt like I had created our nighttime problem so it was up to me to solve it – not just let my dd wonder where the heck I was. I also read somewhere that many kids that are left to CIO have a much greater tendency to become escape artists and jump the crib to get to you. ..something I didn’t want to push the envelope with.
Good luck and hope you get some sleep soon no matter what you choose to do. HTH’s
~Liz
~Liz
February 21, 2006 at 1:38 pm #2108AnonymousInactiveHello I am new here but my baby has MSPI and reflux too. She is 6 months old and it is not under control yet but on her good days and nights I find that letting her fall asleep in her crib seems to work wonders. She is okay if I pat her tummy or just stand in the room. Every few minutes I get closer and closer to the door.
I haven’t tried it yet but I have heard that giving them a bottle of water when they wake up in the middle of the night can do wonders. Sometimes they may just be thirsty and other times they will stop waking up because it is not worth it just for water. We stopped feeding Maddie at night at 4 months. Now she eats once in awhile usually on the nights following a bad day that she didn’t eat very well.
It’s really all about training them to sleep. I know CIO works for some but I can’t do it to Maddie. She cries so much and there is nothing that I can do for her that when I can I want to help her. But then again her reflux isn’t under control yet either. Good luck with whatever you decide to do and I am glad that he is doing so well!
February 28, 2006 at 10:54 pm #2732AnonymousInactiveHi! I had a baby who was waking up 8-10 times per night and I tried everything before CIO–and now I wish I had just tried CIO first. My son is so much better rested and happier now that he is sleeping through the night. Unfortunately, babies sometimes cry in protest when you do something they are not accustomed to. The good news is, just because a child cries, does not mean you are a bad parent. For instance, if you do not let your toddler play with the stove, she might cry, but you are not a bad parent. I suggest reading Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child by Dr. Marc Weissbluth. But CIO will not work unless you are VERY consistent, so if you are not ready for it, you could try other methods first. I like The No Cry Sleep Soltution by Elizabeth Pantley. Her methods are very gentle and work for most babies. But CIO was the only thing I could do to get Gabriel to sleep.
March 1, 2006 at 4:37 pm #2785AnonymousInactiveI also had to resort to CIO. I have listened to more crying than any living thing should ever have to listen to. However, I wanted to drop you this tip: Some people think that it is the prevacid keeping these little tykes awake at night and unable to fall asleep. So instead of giving Prevacid twice a day, they give Prevacid or Prilosec (PPIs) in the AM and Zantac or Pepcid AC (H2 blockers) in the PM. My son is is older than yours and I WISH I would have known about this med combo much sooner!!! My son actually sleeps through the night now, maybe wakes up once. Prior to dosing the H2 Blocker in the PM he would wake about 3-6 times during the night and he’s two and a half!!! Please give it a shot. If I could turn back time, I would have given him this combo a LONG time ago. He’s also in a better – less agressive mood during the day)
March 1, 2006 at 5:28 pm #2787AnonymousInactivelansima wrote: Some people think that it is the prevacid keeping these little tykes awake at night and unable to fall asleep. So instead of giving Prevacid twice a day, they give Prevacid or Prilosec (PPIs) in the AM and Zantac or Pepcid AC (H2 blockers) in the PM.
When you say “some people” are you talking about doctors, or about some parents that you have spoken with. I really wonder why prevacid would do this. And did you hear this only about prevacid, or also about prilosec. I’m curious, as we’ve found the opposite… if she doesn’t get a dose at night she’s awful!
s&h’s mum2006-3-1 17:29:37
March 2, 2006 at 8:37 pm #2909hellbenntKeymasterwe did CIO with jonah at 8 and 1/2 months old, but his reflux WAS TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL and we did it just for the wakings between 11pm and wakeup (I think we determined like 4:30am)…
I posted all about this recently here- how I did it & how I ‘knew’ his reflux was under control and he wasn’t hungry, etc: https://www.infantreflux.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4769&a mp;KW=experiment
March 3, 2006 at 7:36 am #2927AnonymousInactiveI’m with Laura there!! We had to try CIO with Eden!! It was only recently, but it seems that she has learned what cry to use to get me to come running! (although she actually never really changes her cry!! She has 2 cries, one for pain and the other for everything else!! ) She uses her pain cry to get me to go to her!! But i know she is pulling a fast one, cause when i go into the room she laughs at me!! Little madam! It kills me to hear her cry, but if she won’t stop crying whether i hold her or not, what am i supposed to do?! I need to eat after all!
March 9, 2006 at 10:40 am #3389AnonymousInactiveHi-
Thanks for everyone for the replies….we are still working on our sleeping. Dylan has been sick so much….coughing, conjestion….and I don’t want to do CIO while he doesn’t feel that great.
I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts, comments on what Marsha wrote about Prevacid possible causing them to wake up. Dylan is on 15 mg Prevacid which we give usually about 5 pm before his final bottle before he goes to sleep at 7 pm. Should I be giving the Prevacid in the morning??? Our doctor never really told us when to give it….only to give it before eating.
I just don’t know what to do…he wakes up like clock work every 3 hours. The ONLY way we can get him back to sleep is to give him a bottle. My gut is that he wakes up and doesn’t know how to go back to sleep. He has associated falling asleep with drinking a bottle. He feels asleep drinking a bottle to go down initially and then drinks a bottle each time he wakes up. He only drinks about 3 to 4 oz. at each middle of the night feeding. But he never has been able to drink more the 5 oz at at time. Maybe I’ll do the water thing to find out if he’s actually hungry. If I find that he IS really hungry….what should I do? Continue to feed him every 3 hours during the night….seems like at 8 1/2 months that shouldn’t be necessary.
Thanks!
March 9, 2006 at 10:50 am #3392AnonymousInactiveHave you tried giving him something solid to eat just before bed!! If you make sure that he eats enough during the day, then you can be sure that he is waking through habit!! Eden always used to wake up at regular intervals, and bf for only 5 mins and go back to sleep!! Thats how i know that it had just become habit! I have now managed to get her to take a pacifier when she wakes up, and she doesn’t really bother to wake up half as much now!! Just a thought!! Health professionals in the UK say that a baby who is 6 months and over, doesn’t need feeding at all at night! (although if our little refluxers don’t eat much during the day, then i suppose you have to ignore that piece of advice!!) Good luck
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