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June 27, 2006 at 9:04 am #10619
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InactiveFor all you newcomers, Welcome! For you veterens, I haven’t given an update in a while, and debated whether to share our story, but the vaccination question is out there now. I didn’t want to share this to deter parents from getting shots, as I fully believe in vaccinating my children, especially because they are already immune compromised being premature, but I think there is a definite need to true studies and concrete information regarding them.Anyway, our story is bad around here. As many of you know Carter was born March 25th at 29 weeks gestation. He had only a PDA with two rounds of meds, a UTI, and ingunal hernia surgery on both sides, so a very minor course. Carter came home on May 17 over 6 lbs and doing great. We had our 2 month well baby visit on June 2nd and Carter was 8.5 lbs, and doing fantastic. Our ped (as recommended by the CDC) wanted to keep Carter on the immunization schedule of a full term baby as that is the recommendation. We agreed and did the two month shots. As all other babies, Carter was fussy after and refusing feeds, so I gave him tylenol and decided to stick it out. By midnight when he still hadn’t eaten, I called the Dr. and asked how long I should let him go before getting fluids as he is still small. He did not have a fever, was cool to the touch, so the Dr. said let him go until morning and then bring him in.The next morning, I go two ounces in him, so I thought he might be turning the corner, but he didn’t look good to me, and he was not as awake as he had been, so I called the Dr. and asked if he would see him anyway. They gave me an appt, and I went to the office. When I got there, the nurse took us right in and tried to get a temperature on him. (This is a valuable lesson!!!!). She kept saying “why aren’t these working???” as the thermometer wouldn’t read Carter’s temp. Well, the thermometers in the office bottom out at 95 degrees. When the doctor came in and took a rectal temp, Carter was as 91 degrees and his oxygen sats were in the 80’s. The doctor didn’t believe his information (Again, a valuable lesson!!!!), and said I should go to the ER to be sure, but he thought he was fine. I called David from the office to let him know I was going, and I headed to the ER by car (about 20 minutes from my Dr’s office). By the time I got to the ER, the nurse took one look at him, grabbed him from me and started doing chest compressions. Carter had no pulse and was below 90 degrees. They had revived him in the ER and sent him to the pediatric ICU on life support on Saturday June 3rd. His pupils were non reactive and he was in horrible shape. He literally died in my car on the way there, and they had to bring him back to life.After 5 days he finally came off the vent, breathing on his own and eating again. So far all tests are normal, MRI, EEG, EKG, blood work, spinal tap, etc….. He has no signs of an infection, or anything. They have no idea what happened. They think he may have gone into shock from the pertussus (DTaP), but that reaction is something like one in a million. They did some endocrynology testing along with some metabolic testing, but all tests including PKU repeat were normal.He came home, finally, on June 13th on an apnea monitor, but all are now convinced it was the immunizations. Our pediatricians, have now asked us how we want to proceed with immunizations. WHAT???? I am not qualified medically to make those judgement calls. The Pertussus is out of the question, while that is one thing I would like him protected from. I have contaced an infectious disease Dr. at Yale and have asked him for guidence. Preliminarily, he is suggesting splitting all shots, (no combined shots) and doing them one at a time. He also feels the Pertussus shot is to blame and they do make a DT without the P so that is the one I think we will do.Again, I believe in immunizations and feel they are very important, but we are in a position where this could be life and death for Carter in both scenarios. I wish we had more information that was concrete regarding these.Carter is starting to show signs of reflux (who wouldn’t from this kind of stress!) so we have him on pepcid and an appt with the GI doc for June 28th. We have him on Nutramigen already and I think by Wednesday we will be on Neocate. He doesn’t scream like Dylan did, but has some sanifer’s symptoms with the twisting of the neck, etc. He can twist his body in a way no baby should be able to! He will try to sleep like that as well. Still, the reflux is not nearly as bad as Dylan, so we are thankful for that.Anyway, sorry this is so long, I just thought I should share.Ann MarieJune 27, 2006 at 9:19 am #10622hellbennt
KeymasterAnn Marie,
WOW!
I’ve heard a lot about delayed vax and getting them one at a time & so I don’t consider that to be too radical on your part by any means!!! I think if I were you I’d probably want to hold off on any more vaccinations for quite some time!!! However, I know nothing about the time tables of these things…
How much does Carter weigh now? Does he have weight issues? From your post it seems he’s gaining well?
How is Dylan adjusting to everything?
It’s so good to ‘see’ you
!~laura
June 27, 2006 at 9:21 am #10623Anonymous
InactiveOh my goodness, Ann Marie – I’m so sorry to hear this. I can’t imagine
going through something like that – thank god they were able to revive
Carter and that he is OK now. So scary and I’m glad you were able to
speak with an infectious disease doc and can proceed with single shots
for Carter.Big hugs to your whole family. I hope his reflux doesn’t get too bad and that the Neocate helps him.
How is Dylan doing?
knb182006-6-27 10:14:55June 27, 2006 at 9:25 am #10624Anonymous
InactiveHi there, Laura and Karen,
Carter was 10lbs 8.5 ounces at the Dr on Friday, so gaining like a champ! Definitely comfort feeding and more silent than Dylan. He doesn’t spit up hardly at all.
Poor Dylan! He is getting the short end of the stick right now but handling it like a champ. We have been trying to take him one on one (David is a teacher, so he is home for the summer) but I returned to work this past Monday. He is in the summer preschool program in our district, so he will start that again next week for the month of July. 2.5 hours a day for 4 days a week in July and the bus picks him up at our house and drops him off there after. It is a great scenario and it is something that is just Dylan’s. He loves school and his teachers so that will be good for him to get back to routine. I am going to negotiate some work at home from my work and close my office I think. I really want to be home for the next year with Carter, so we are working on that now. I have a conference call with my proposal at 3:00pm, so keep your finger’s crossed.
You are getting close to the end!!! Hopefully you are feeling great and doing OK in the Miami weather. Get as much sleep as possible this next week or so! That is my only advice……

monty1232006-6-27 9:27:2
June 27, 2006 at 10:01 am #10628Anonymous
InactiveOh my god Ann Marie –
I am SO sorry to hear that you had to go through that. How scary – and I am so glad to hear that things turned out the way that they did. You are so strong and it is so great that you were on top of things the way that you were.
It’s really nice to hear from you, although I wish you had been able to share better news with us. I hope that everything continues to improve with Carter and that you are able to figure out how to move ahead with the immunizations in a way that you and all of his doctors are comfortable with.
June 27, 2006 at 10:25 am #10632Anonymous
InactiveThanks, Laura. I am glad to hear that Owen is off of Prevacid! That was always a nice place to be.
We are just taking it day by day, but at least I can get some sleep now that he is on the monitor.
Great to hear from you! I have a lot of catching up to do here, especially if we are in for the reflux haul again. Not sure if I am just more prepared, or the worst of it hasn’t hit yet, but the crying, fussing, isn’t as hard to deal with the second time around. Also, I was a first time mom who was really stressed out, and this time it is much different. Also, I know that he will grow out of it, and last time I felt like this was my life forever going forward.
Hope all is well!
Ann Marie
June 27, 2006 at 10:50 am #10634Anonymous
InactiveOh Ann Marie, your story gave me chills. I can’t imagine how terrified you must have been.
I am so glad he is doing better now. Thanks for the update but as Laura said, I wish it could have been for different circumstances. I have been wondering about you guys. I’ll say a special prayer for you all and wish you luck with your work situation!June 27, 2006 at 10:59 am #10635Anonymous
InactiveThanks, Tiffany. Watching them perform CPR and working on Carter is the most horrifying image that I will never be able to forget. I didn’t see one person stop to put on gloves, the room was filled within seconds and everyone just started working on him without regard for themselves. The nurses drawing his blood, everything, no one had gloves on……. I can’t thank them enough.
Seth just hit the 18 month mark! I remember that being such a great fun, but challenging age.
Thanks again, and I’m sure I’ll be around a bit more now.
Ann Marie
June 27, 2006 at 11:30 am #10636Anonymous
InactiveI don’t know how you held it together, Ann Marie. We had a similar thing happen last year when Owen had croup and was struggling to breathe – obviously he wasn’t as bad off as Carter, but he had really deep chest contractions that Pat and I hadn’t seen when Owen’s clothes were on but we walked into the ER thinking something was wrong, were rushed in immediately and all of a sudden there were 4 or 5 people all working on him and I realized that this was bigger than I had thought and just started to cry as I watched all of these people working on this poor little guy. It really makes you realize their smallness when you have them in that situation, don’t you think?
Anyway, not to compare my situation in any way to yours, but I just think you are so strong to have been able to go through all of that. I hope that you only have brighter and better days to come.
June 27, 2006 at 11:50 am #10638Anonymous
InactiveI didn’t fall apart until David got there. I think that we hold it together when we have to. Of course, (thank goodness I was so not aware of their thoughts), but the first instinct by them is that I shook him and drove a lifeless baby to the hospital. They just kept yelling “you drove this baby here!”, and I kept saying “The Dr. told me to.”. They did the head CT within the first hour to rule me out for abuse. Of course, it was all normal, but they have to think that first. Like I said, thank goodness I didn’t get it at the time but it should have dawned on me when the social worker came and sat with me within minutes of getting there. I thought she was there for support! Stupid me…… As soon as the CT was normal, she left.
I agree, Laura, it definitely makes us see how fragile they really can be and how helpless as parents we are when we can’t make it better. I did the same as you, just cried and stared as if I was in shock.
And that guilt that I didn’t realize it earlier how serious it was. I end up spending so much time telling myself to not be neurotic about the boys, when I should have pushed so much harder.
I think we all rise up to the situation when it comes to our children and it is just as scary when we don’t know what is the matter.
June 27, 2006 at 1:11 pm #10646Anonymous
InactiveAnn Marie
So sorry about this. WOW you must have been so so scared. I know what you mean about being paranoid… it is hard to know the limits sometimes but don’t blame yourself… he is OK and that is great!!
Something similar happened to me as a child and after tons of tests (and i am OK by the way) they thought that the vaccine that i was given was just in bad state… I have to ask my mom if it was immediate or not… will do and let you know. But i got really tired, would not eat, and started turning blue. they took me to the hospital right away and there they tried CPR because i was not responding. Then they tried to intubate me and they realised that my throat was closed and they could not get tube in so they took me to OR and got everything ready to trach me… and then i started slowly breathing. AGAIN, i have to ask how long after the vaccine this was… but they did tests and tests and everytime i got a vaccine after that i stayed at the hospital for observation and nothing has happened to me since. The conclusion was that the vaccine was in a bad state (i was living in Cuba at the time and the vaccine was russian and all the doctors agreed that this could be caused by a bad batch although we never heard of any other child having this reaction). Sorry this is long…
On the other hand, i know of a case of someone’s baby who did have what they think is a vaccine-induced encephalopathy…. after a lot of research about what happened (and their baby was older, prob 15months i think) the doctors agreed that the cause of it all could well be a reaction (i think it was the Dtap)… This baby has a carepage and i would give it to anyone who is interested.
Just wanted to share with you these stories….
June 27, 2006 at 1:39 pm #10654Anonymous
InactiveWow, Thais! How scary for your mom, too! It sounds a lot like Carter’s reaction. The issue is that we think he was doing what you did but all night. Stopped breathing, and then started again on his own. The fear is that if he had enough of these apnea spells for so long that how much oxygen was he deprived of and what are the long term effects? We will not know for years, I don’t think, but all MRI, EEG, and organ function all appear normal at this point.
I would love that Carepage information.
Also, about not hearing of others having that reaction, this is a problem. Yale had instructed my pediatricians to report the reaction to the CDC, yet when I spoke to them last, they still hadn’t done it. I think there are a lot of reactions that are not reported, hence the reason that I think we need better information about vaccines. Not that I would stop getting them for Dylan and Carter, but I would be more aware of the potential reactions, and I wouldn’t have waited before going to the ER had I been aware this could happen.
Also, if there were more reports, the Doctors would have known right away what the problem was. I did get brave enough to ask at one point if I had been any later to the ER what they would have said for the autopsy, and they told me he would have been labeled SIDS. So sad, as we wouldn’t have known/thought any different. It took a long time before they finally chalked it up to vaccinations. It was the endocrynologist that said he had seen it once before and they called it “grey baby syndrome”.
Do you know which vaccination you received at that point when this happened? Just curious…..
BTW, you have been/lived in so many interesting places! I would love to travel more, but I guess that will be quite a while before we will be doing any of that!
monty1232006-6-27 13:42:0
June 27, 2006 at 1:47 pm #10657Anonymous
InactiveThe vaccine was the MMR – i am pretty sure because it was the last one of the set but i can ask my mom later…also on the timing issue because i don’t know other than it took place over some time because they got me to the OR… i know the story but don’t know all the details and if it helps will tell you later.
Let me know your email and i will send you the carepage details.
June 27, 2006 at 2:10 pm #10659Anonymous
Inactivemonty 123 @ sbc global . net (no spaces)
Thanks!
June 27, 2006 at 3:05 pm #10669Anonymous
InactiveOH MY God, Anne Marie! I’m so sorry to hear about what you have gone through. I can’t stop the tears from pouring down my face when I picture you carrying Carter in like that! It reminds me of when Sarah had her first seizure- we thought that she was choking and was blue and my dh was trying to do CPR on her. I thought that we were losing her and thank God she was fine in the end, I can just hear myself telling 911 that my baby isn’t breathing, and I know it’s nothing like what you went through, not trying to compare, I guess just rambling really. But the fear that you are losing your child is the worst thing imaginable and it will be forever embedded in my memory, as I’m sure you feel too.
I am so relieved that they were able to help Carter and that he is back home with you. What an awful experience. I would also be really scared about future vaccinations.
I read the Care Page that Thais is talking about a while back, and it broke my heart, but also scared the heck out of me. I never even knew that such reactions were a possibility.
Sarah is now almost 3 and still hasn’t had her MMR due to the possibility of seizures. She is supposed to have it this week, and I psyched myself up for it, but she seems to have a runny nose again, and I’m so scared after hearing about your nightmare. Our doc told us to go buy a new form of the shot that doesn’t hurt as much, but I never even questioned what’s in it, though now I’m quite scared.
It’s so good to hear from you, though I hope that things go better for you in the future. Thinking of you.
s&h’s mum2006-6-27 15:7:17
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