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June 28, 2007 at 3:59 pm #38207
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InactiveAriella’s currently on 3 naps a day schedule (on a good day, of course). When should I start eliminating the 3rd nap? It is around 5-6 pm and then she goes down for the night at 8-8:30 pm. We tried taking away her last nap a few weeks ago and putting her down for the night earlier (7 pm) and she was up and running at 5 am. Not fun!
Also, I think we’re going to go with the CIO method. Grrr, hating every minute of it but we tried EVERYTHING and nothing’s working. I really don’t want to go that route (I don’t enjoy hearing her scream for an hour) but I’ve got to do it or I’ll lose my mind. Putting her down for a nap can take hours and I’m hoping if she’s used to falling asleep on her own, I’ll feed her, change her and she’ll be sleeping in no time (ok, gotta stop daydreaming).
June 28, 2007 at 4:04 pm #38209Anonymous
InactiveIf you aren’t comfortable with the CIO method, I wouldn’t do it. B/c that may make it harder on both of you b/;c she will be able to sense that you are not comfortable. I just spent an hour putting Cooper down for a nap but that was b/c he was over tired since we had been out an about for about 3.5hrs and didn’t nap in his car seat which even if he does doesn’t mean he is getting any rest. But Keep trying things that you feel comfortable with. She will get the hang of it eventually. I am wishing you luck and sending you big hugs.
June 28, 2007 at 4:26 pm #38210Anonymous
Inactivehi, before you try CIO, i hope you will take a minute to read this, from dr sears, who also had a high needs baby himself. my friend just forwarded this to me….his sleep advice really saved a lot of my friends and me.
If only my baby could talk instead of cry I would know what she wants,” said Janet, a new mother of a fussy baby. “Your baby can talk,” we advised. “The key is for you to learn how to listen. When you learn the special language of your baby’s cry, you will be able to respond sensitively. Here are some listening tips that will help you discover what your baby is trying to say when he cries.
The cry is not just a sound; it’s a signal – designed for the survival of the baby and development of the parents. By not responding to the cry, babies and parents lose. Here’s why. In the early months of life, babies cannot verbalize their needs. To fill in the gap until the child is able to “speak our language,” babies have a unique language called “crying.” Baby senses a need, such as hunger for food or the need to be comforted when upset, and this need triggers a sound we call a cry. Baby does not ponder in his little mind, “It’s 3:00 a.m. and I think I’ll wake up mommy for a little snack.” No! That faulty reasoning is placing an adult interpretation on a tiny infant. Also, babies do not have the mental acuity to figure out why a parent would respond to their cries at three in the afternoon, but not at three in the morning. The newborn who cries is saying: “I need something; something is not right here. Please make it right.”
At the top of the list of unhelpful advice – one that every new parent is bound to hear – is “Let your baby cry-it-out.” To see how unwise and unhelpful is this advice, let’s analyze each word in this mother-baby connection- interfering phrase.
“Let your baby.” Some third-party advisor who has no biological connection to your baby, no knowledge or investment in your baby, and isn’t even there at 3:00 a.m. when your baby cries, has the nerve to pontificate to you how to respond to your baby’s cries.
The cry is a marvelous design. Consider what might happen if the infant didn’t cry. He’s hungry, but doesn’t awaken (“He sleeps through the night,” brags the parent of a sleep-trained baby). He hurts, but doesn’t let anyone know. The result of this lack of communication is known, ultimately, as “failure to thrive.” “Thriving” means not only getting bigger, but growing to your full potential emotionally, physically, and intellectually.
“Cry…” Not only is the cry a wonderful design for babies; it is a useful divine design for parents, especially the mother. When a mother hears her baby cry, the blood flow to her breasts increases, accompanied by the biological urge to “pick up and nurse” her baby. (“Nurse” means comforting, not just breastfeeding.) As an added biological perk, the maternal hormones released when baby nurses relax the mother, so she gives a less tense and more nurturing response to her infant’s needs. These biological changes – part of the design of the mother-baby communication network – explain why it’s easy for someone else to advise you to let your baby cry, but difficult for you to do. That counterproductive advice is not biologically correct.
“It…” Consider what exactly is the “it” in “cry-it-out”: an annoying habit? Unlikely, since babies don’t enjoy crying. And, contrary to popular thought, crying is not “good for baby’s lungs.” That belief is not physiologically correct. The “it” is an emotional or physical need. Something is not right and the only way baby has of telling us this is to cry, pleading with us to make it right. Early on, consider baby’s cry as signaling a need – communication rather than manipulation.
Parent tip: Babies cry to communicate – not manipulate“Out” What actually goes “out” of a baby, parents, and the relationship when a baby is left to cry-it-out? Since the cry is a baby’s language, a communication tool, a baby has two choices if no one listens. Either he can cry louder, harder, and produce a more disturbing signal or he can clam up and become a “good baby” (meaning “quiet”). If no one listens, he will become a very discouraged baby. He’ll learn the one thing you don’t want him to: that he can’t communicate.
Baby loses trust in the signal value of his cry – and perhaps baby also loses trust in the responsiveness of his caregivers. Not only does something vital go “out” of baby, an important ingredient in the parent- child relationship goes “out” of parents: sensitivity. When you respond intuitively to your infant’s needs, as you practice this cue- response listening skill hundreds of times in the early months, baby learns to cue better (the cries take on a less disturbing and more communicative quality as baby learns to “talk better”). On the flip side of the mother-infant communication, you learn to read your infant’s cries and respond appropriately (meaning when to say “yes” and when to say “no,” and how fast). In time you learn the ultimate in crying sensitivity: to read baby’s body language and respond to her pre-cry signals so baby doesn’t always have to cry to communicate her needs.
What happens if you “harden your heart,” view the cry as a control rather than a communication tool and turn a deaf ear to baby’s cries? When you go against your basic biology, you desensitize yourself to your baby’s signals and your instinctive responses. Eventually, the cry doesn’t bother you. You lose trust in your baby’s signals, and you lose trust in your ability to understand baby’s primitive language. A distance develops between you and your baby and you run the risk of becoming what pediatricians refer to as a doctor-tell-me-what-to-do. You listen to a book instead of your baby. So, not listening and responding sensitively to baby’s cries is a lose-lose situation: Baby loses trust in caregivers and caregivers lose trust in their own sensitivity.
Mother loses trust in herself. To illustrate how a mother can weaken her God- given sensitivity when she lets herself be less discerning about parenting advice; a sensitive veteran mother recently shared this story with us:
“I went to visit my friend who just had a baby. While we were talking, her three-week-old started crying in another room. The baby kept crying, harder and louder. I was getting increasingly driven to go comfort the baby. Her baby’s cries didn’t bother her, but they bothered me. My breasts almost started to leak milk! Yet, my friend seemed oblivious to her baby’s signals. Finally, I couldn’t stand it anymore and I said, ‘It’s okay, go attend to your baby. We can talk later.’ Matter-of-factly she replied, ‘No, it’s not time yet for his feeding.’ Incredulous, I asked, ‘Mary, where on earth did you get that harmful advice?’ ‘From a baby-training class at church,’ she proudly insisted. ‘I want my baby to learn I’m in control, not him.'”
This novice mother, wanting to do the best for her baby and believing she was being a good mother, had allowed herself to succumb to uncredentialed prophets of bad parenting advice and was losing her God-given sensitivity to her baby. She was starting her parenting career with a distance developing between her and her baby. The pair was becoming disconnected.
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June 28, 2007 at 4:31 pm #38211Anonymous
InactiveBeth, I seriously wish I could continue rocking her to sleep but I’m in a lot of pain (I have a bad back). Plus, when she falls asleep in our arms while we’re rocking her, the minute we put her down in her crib, she wakes up so it’s interrupted sleep for her. Another thing is that my inlaws watch her during the day when I’m at work and they’re in their late 60’s so it’s not easy for them either. Believe me, I’m all for anything but CIO but not a thing worked for us. I’ll try it for a couple of days and if I see no progress, I’ll stop. Thank you for your good luck wishes. WE NEED IT!
June 28, 2007 at 4:43 pm #38212Anonymous
Inactivemommy2myboy, thank you for the article. I’m very familiar with it as I’ve read it many times. I’m not denying that babies’ way of communicating is through crying but I definitely know that she’s not telling me that she’s uncomfortable. She will fall asleep in my arms b/c she’s used to falling asleep only while being rocked. It’s a habit and it needs to be broken eventually. I do agree that she might GROW out of it and start falling asleep on her own but G-d knows when this eventually is. I may sound very harsh but she IS getting a lot of love in this house. Everyone adores her and she is, by no means, is being neglected. She gets plenty of kisses and hugs and feels the love all around her. I don’t think that her trust will be effected in any way just b/c I’m not rocking her to sleep. Plus, by this time (she’s 9 months) we’ve learned to understand each other pretty well. I wouldn’t turn my deaf ear if I knew she was in some kind of discomfort. Again, thank you for the article.
June 28, 2007 at 5:18 pm #38217Anonymous
InactiveGood luck, Marianna! Hopefully you’re all getting some sleep soon. Just to let you know, we never did any sleep training with Hailey, and I still have to rock her to sleep at over 2 years old. Now it’s a HUGE habit that’s really hard for us both to break. I hope that things go easily for you. Keep us posted.
June 28, 2007 at 5:20 pm #38218hellbennt
Keymastermarianna,
no time now but I have ideas- like the longest she should cry is her weight in minutes (so 18lbs is 18minutes) & also if the whole nap procedure takes an hour, then THAT is the nap & you have to skip it until the next nap
– so if she’s crying for an hour (shouldn’t come to this?
) then THAT is the nap…June 28, 2007 at 5:51 pm #38220Anonymous
InactiveLori, ouch, I can’t imagine rocking Ariella to sleep when she’s 2. How’s your back holding up? I will definitely keep you posted. I don’t want to sound as a mean mommy but I noticed when she does fall asleep on her own (which happened 3-4 times in 9 months), she sleeps better and wakes up rested.
Laura, I tried the CIO method for her nap this afternoon and she mostly fussed (didn’t cry hysterically for a change) for about 20 minutes and she’s been sleeping for 1 1/2 hours. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that she won’t give us a hard time tonight either. I will keep you posted. I’ve tried the CIO method before but always ended up rocking her to sleep b/c I felt terrible. Hope this time around, I have enough courage to go through with it.
June 28, 2007 at 9:17 pm #38238Anonymous
InactiveHang in there Marianna. It really sounds like you have thought through this all and are doing all you can to help your baby get the rest she needs. I don’t think you should beat yourself up for this at all.
You are right, at 9 months, she and you are familiar enough with each other to know when her cries need to be answered as opposed to when she is just fussing and talking.
I think it’s a great step that she fell asleep on her own today. 20 minutes is about how long it takes Ben to settle himself (when he so chooses
), and I think it’s pretty normal for them to need some time to settle into sleep. The more times she does it on her own, the more comfortable you both will be. Just keep the routine the same for naps and for bed, so she knows what is going on, and ask your family to try to do it the same when they have her during the day.
Keep us posted!
Bensmama2007-6-28 21:19:18
June 28, 2007 at 11:04 pm #38239Anonymous
InactiveThank you everyone for your words of support. Well, Ariella slept for 2 1/2 hours this afternoon. In fact, I had to wake her up b/c it was getting late (6:30 pm) and I didn’t want her to get too much rest or she won’t go to bed until 12 am. 8:30 pm she started to fuss again as if she wants to sleep so I give her the meds, bath and bottle. Only this time I put her in the crib without rocking her. Well, she got hysterical crying and projectile vomitted all over the place. It was on the floor, in the crib, all over her clothes…IT WAS BAD! Uggg, I don’t know what to do. And she did so well this afternoon that I thought she was ready to be trained. Maybe I should stick to the naps only for now???
June 29, 2007 at 5:21 am #38249Anonymous
InactiveI must admitt I skimmed over these posts, I don’t have much time these days. We are doing a mini CIO with Alana. I do 1 min, then settler her, two mins, then settler her, three mins etc. The most I ever get to is 5 mins. I know there are pros and cons (just a part of normal parenting guilt!!!). But, I’m not going to keep rocking a 1 year old to sleep.
I’d say if you are comfortable with the naps, then stick with them and add the night in later. Or could you adjust the night routine to 30mins sitting gently with you (thats what we do with Alana after her last bottle) then put her to bed (reducing the chance of all the bottle ending up on the floor)?Goodluck…its tuff stuff, but IMO you do what you have to do.
June 29, 2007 at 8:43 am #38250hellbennt
KeymasterI still rock jonah, but not to sleep 🙂
it’s part of the routine & I enjoy the snuggle time….
June 29, 2007 at 9:51 am #38259Anonymous
InactiveYou know your own instinct, and you know your baby best. People usually have very strong opinions on this topic (CIO), but ultimately it’s YOUR baby, and only you can decide what is right for her
I personally can not and will not go through CIO again. We did it with our oldest son as an infant, and it just was not a pleasant experience for any of us. BUT, we felt desperate at that time as you do now and it was the only way we knew of to get him to sleep better.Good luck!P.s. It sounds like she is already a pretty good sleeper in my opinion. Caden is not much of a sleeper still…June 29, 2007 at 9:45 pm #38303Anonymous
InactiveWhat do you consider CIO? B/C when I lay Evie down to try and get her to sleep on her own, she has this long, whiny sob. Not like any other kind of cry. It almost sounds like she’s borderline faking! Is this crying it out, or is crying it out a full on hysterical fit with tears?
June 30, 2007 at 6:55 am #38308Anonymous
InactiveMariana- YES, my back does hurt! In fact, I’ve had several disc problems that have landed me on the floor, and several neck strains from rocking/holding her. Her sleep problems have been so bad, that I thought that if I could get ANY sleep, then I didn’t care if I had to rock her to sleep, but it’s going to have to stop here as well. The funny thing is that I know that at daycare she puts herself to sleep so she can definitely do it, so it’s certainly a behavioural expectation over here. Good luck.
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