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November 20, 2006 at 2:11 pm #18528
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Inactivendrose wrote:
Thanks for the links.
Really scary stuff.

They must have lied to me at the hospital where my babies were born because I asked them how you get Hep B and they didn’t say anthing about sex or drugs. That really makes me mad.

unfortunately, docs are only given the info from pharmecuetical comapnies, which want to make money. they are all for vaccinating and deny any link between vaccines and bad reactions. but the evidence is pretty overwhelming in my opinion.
autism is on the rise by 500% over the past years and autism now affects 1 in 150 children.
there was a study where this reporter went to an amish community, bc they dont vaccinate, and they wanted to see the autism pop there.
well, according to the rise in the autism rates in the US, there should have been 200 autistic kids in that amish community.
there were 3, and 2 of the cases were because the children were adopted and were previously vaccinated.also, read the “untold story”
http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/Hepatitis_B.htm
nataliachick72006-11-20 14:46:24
November 20, 2006 at 4:11 pm #18533Anonymous
InactiveYep, the reporter is Dan Olmsted from UPI (United PRess International)….I met him at an autism conference…..he is totally into exposing the truth about vaccines and there relationship to autism….He wrote a whole series on Autism and its link to vaccines
The Amish article is here:
http://whale.to/vaccine/olmsted.html
As for the hospital that never mentioned contracting HepB is from unprotected sex and IV drug use, they wont because it means less $$ for them…..I dont know if youre all aware but pharmaceutical companies give kick-backs to hospitals and physicians who use their products for their patients….full disclosure is never an option in a situation like that…..
Even school districts get more federal and state educational funding here in the USA when their vaccination rates are high….thats why theyre so hell-bent against honoring exemptions…..
Our government for recommending vaccines and for agencies like the FDA and CDC approving vaccines containing toxic ingredients for use in children and babies, our state governments for mandating vaccines to attend school, physicians for failing to provide full disclosure as to what is in a vaccine before administering them to our kids, and pharmaceutical companies for lying to the public claiming vaccines with toxins are safe will all be liable and would have to pay billions upon billions of dollars through litigation to parents whose children, like my son, were injured by vaccine use……….this is why they keep mandating them……if people stop using vaccines completely, diagnosis of neurodevelopmental disorders like autism and ADHD will begin to slowly decline….definitive proof of a link IMHO
I wouldnt trust our government or a pharmaceutical company as far as I could throw em after all the things Ive found out in my research
Just alittle FYI for all of you

AidansTiredMom2006-11-20 16:17:12
November 20, 2006 at 4:40 pm #18537Anonymous
InactiveAlso, correct me if I’m wrong, but other countries are not big on getting vaccines. Am I correct in saying that? I might be thinking about circumcision. If I am correct their people seem to be fine and don’t have just all kinds of diseases spreading. England is the main place I was thinking of. Also to remember running water and clean sewage has helped a lot. Way back when they used to just throw their sewage onto the streets. I will say again though that I think every parent should do their own research. I don’t think you should take my word or anyone elses for that matter.
November 20, 2006 at 5:10 pm #18545hellbennt
Keymasterhere’s another autism theory, having nothing to do w/ vaccines:
our diets.
I know people who swear that the number of cases of autism has to do to the fact that our diets (well, women especially & pregnant women) are lacking in areas that historically were never an issue, such as those essential fatty acids (Omega 3’s etc)- especially those found in fish oil…
I made sure to take a prenatal vitamin with fish oil in it & I continue to do so as I am breast feeding.
food for thought.
http://www.newstarget.com/008003.html
& I’m sure there’s more…
November 20, 2006 at 5:46 pm #18546Anonymous
InactiveLaura,
I agree 100%…..its our diet, its the environment, its vaccines, and in some instances in the things we use to even bathe our babies (Alot of baby shampoos have propylene glycol which is an ingredient in antifreeze!!!!)…..all these insults at once…..its disastrous for some families
Ironically my son takes EFA’s amongst other supplements…when he first started taking them it was like a switch went on within a few weeks……he improved dramatically……he retained more information, behaviors decreased….
There was actually research done in pregnant women/women of childbearing age and they found that moms that were pregnant or able to become pregnant had such a high mercury load that they were considered mercury toxic and were candidates for chelation, which is what I am using on my son Nicholas right now for his mercury/metal toxicity load from vaccines…….whenmoms become pregnant, they pass the metal/mercury load onto their fetuses whose brain and body systems can be subjected to injury from these metals…..
The things we are doing to ourselves and our children through vaccination, exposure to toxins in the environment and diets consisting of McDonalds, Taco Smell (Bell), and other fast food chains…..and without even really knowing it……its scary…..
Aidan is on organic fruits and veggies, I only buy organic shampoos and baby soaps……I use Tushies diapers and wipes which are organic…..He has all of these environmental toxins around him….I figure every little bit helps that I try to do
Again, research is key like Shelby said…the only way to get truly informed is to read the info for yourself…..youll be shocked at what you find out
AidansTiredMom2006-11-20 17:47:6
November 20, 2006 at 5:54 pm #18547Anonymous
InactiveThe UK is actually big on vaccination as well. Specifically with the MMR…..most third world countries vaccinate with our mercury laden vaccines that we really dont use anymore (besides the flu)…..Japan is one country that doesnt vaccinate as much as us anymore and they saw a small decline in their autism rates when they stopped using some vaccines……
Dr Andy Wakefield, an acquaintance of mine, did research and found a link between the MMR, a live virus vaccine that does not contain mercury, and autism…..there was a new gut pathology that he noticed that he named autistic enterocolitis which resulted from the strain of the measles virus in the MMR causing damage to the lining of the intestines….this damage allows the undigested gluten and casein proteins to pass through to the bloodstream and circulate through the body to the brain where it acts like an opiate drug causing behaviors that resemble autistic behaviors……this is what happened to my son along with mercury and metal toxicity from the other vaccines…..
As a result of his research, parents declined the MMR in the UK…..one of his co-researchers retracted his conclusions and now Andy is facing losing his license from the UK Medical board….
He resides in the USA now and works for a clinic for kids with autism in TX…..to me Andy is one of my heroes…..
November 20, 2006 at 7:25 pm #18560Anonymous
InactiveLook at me telling people to do their research and then I get what I said wrong.
Sorry, I don’t remember where I heard that. Again it may be the circumcision thing that I was thinking about. A very good reason to do research. So sorry. We were researching vaccines and circumsion at the same time.November 20, 2006 at 7:27 pm #18561Anonymous
Inactivethat is scary, i just looked at my sons baby lotion, johnson and johnson and the second ingredient is the propylene glycol!!
where do you get your organic baby products?November 20, 2006 at 7:42 pm #18567Anonymous
InactiveSpeaking of Propylene Glycol…..do you know they put that stuff in baby toothpaste? It makes me crazy! Why? Why? Why? Do you have to have a ph.d to figure out what’s safe and what’s not for your baby?
Now that we’re on this subject, do any of you know/or have you heard that Carageegan is a carcinogen? The put that crap in soy baby formulas to make it look white like milk.
November 20, 2006 at 7:59 pm #18570Anonymous
Inactivewait what is carageegan and what is carcinagen? either way it doesnt sound good!
November 20, 2006 at 8:55 pm #18575Anonymous
InactiveSupposedly it is a “natural” substance related to or made from sea weed, but I read somewhere (years ago, so I can’t remember where) that it causes cancer (carcinogen). It is used mostly to make food products look white….like processed turkey meats, and soy milk or formula.
November 20, 2006 at 9:02 pm #18576Anonymous
Inactiveoh god. that makes me sick! those poor babies

but i think ive seen organic formulas..i wonder if those are much better for babies?
November 20, 2006 at 9:32 pm #18577Anonymous
Inactivegetting back to the diet issue…I totally agree. There are even studies and plenty of anecdotal evidence on Austism spectrum kids going and gluten free and casien free diets, and how the behavioral aspects of the autism improve (self-stim, etc…) Most of the kids I worked with besides being on a ton of supplements, and doing chelation were on very limited diets….taking gluten and casien out pretty much eliminates any processed and prepackaged foods…which is an interesting point.
The whole topic is intriging to me, since I worked in the “field” and have a son with possible issues….which we are just starting to look into.
November 21, 2006 at 3:24 am #18583Anonymous
InactiveJust so you know you can catch Hep B without having sex or using drugs.
You can catch it through the saliva of an infected person. I used ot work as a dental nurse and i have to be vaccinated against it to work as i could catch it from some infected spit going into my eye for example, also from a needle injury!
Saying this our babies do not get a Hep B vaccine as only at risk people are offered it.
The UK is big on having the shots done but we don’t seem to have as many as you lot!!
We have no flu, chicken pox or Hep B for the babies here.
Its scary reading thats for sure!!
November 21, 2006 at 5:57 am #18585Anonymous
InactiveI get organic baby products from Earth Mama Angel Baby.(http://www.earthmamaangelbaby.com ) They tend to be a bit more expensive than the regular stuff in the store but its definitely worth it and it lasts awhile (I have a bottle of the soap/shampoo, lotion and baby oil which I use every day or every other day and Aidan is 4 months old and theres still quite a bit left). They even have butt balm for diaper rash, diaper rash soaps, bath blossoms and tea for colicky babies. They dont have a powder but I buy Burt’s Bees Natural Powder in our local health food store.
The toothpaste we use is by Tom’s of Maine which is organic and I can get it at my health food store. I use organic shampoos and soaps for myself as well. Carageenan is safe if you get the 100% natural type which this toothpaste has. Its the synthetic crap that personal care companies use that is dangerous.
Aidan’s food I buy Earths Best or I buy fruits and veggies from a natural farm market and I puree them myself (I ask if they receive fruits and veggies treated with pesticides or irradiated) and I buy only free-range meats at a local butcher……If you want to read about the dangers of irradiated foods which most major supermarkets in the USA sell…..go to: http://www.organicconsumers.org/irrad/IrradiatedFruit.rtf
Unfortunately Aidan couldnt breastfeed because of his reflux and he ended up on Nutramigen. We had no choice. I guanrantee that they DONT use the 100% natural carageenan. And the organic formulas dont come in hypoallergenic formulations so most kids with reflux cant use them (the best you can get is a soy formula) But everything else, hes 100% organic.
It takes some work and some extra $$$ but its worth it if my kids and I are healthier and arent exposed to toxins.
Natalie, I dont know if youre familiar with Andy Wakefield and the whole medical witchhunt in the UK. I was just wondering if you ever discussed the situation with your pedi and what he has said about Andy and the MMR controversy?????
Shannon, I agree 100%….I know a bunch of families whose children improved dramatically when placed on a GFCF diet…but unfortunately when we tried, it didnt help
……supplements and chelation have helped him tremendously….all children react differently to these shots…..my son has gut issues but not to the extreme that he developed a gluten and casein intolerance……his issues are with mercury, cadmium, arsenic, lead, tin, and aluminum (which he is all metal toxic for) and with the Measles strain in the MMR….AidansTiredMom2006-11-21 6:4:17
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