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[Anonymous]

I commend you for doing research on the matter! To many moms just do what their docs. say.

I will have to say though we will have to agree to disagree, but I think it is great that you added another point of view. I am always up for learing more. I am in no way closed minded about it at all. I honestly don’t not do the vaccines because of autism scares I don’t get them because I have a hard time believing they work. As Laura would say ducking tomatoes here. Why is it that when I don’t do the vaccines and I have to sign the wavier The ped goes on and on about am I aware that I am putting other children in danger by not vaccinating. I don’t get that. If other kids are vaccinated and they are supposed to work than how am I putting other children in danger. There are measles out breaks all the time among vaccinated children. Why put all those toxins in my babies body if they could get the disease anyway. I think cancer may also be caused by vaccines. I think we all know at least one person in our lives that has cancer or had cancer. one doc that treats cancer patients even stated that he has never had a patient that was not vaccinated. Don’t get me wrong I think there are other things that could cause cancer too.Also do some research on the swine flu vaccine. Like I said before I am open to learing to more. Those are just a few of the things I have found doing research. I will also say again I think we should all do our research and pray before we make any decisions. Pray first and then do the research.

[Anonymous]

Janice wrote: I sorry but I can not be quiet about this. I have to post some of our old topics about this issue of vaccines, I believe that this needs to be heard again, so that everyone that reeds this post does not feel lie a horrible person for vaccinating their child. I personally am a true believer in vaccines and as a parent of a child with an immunosuppressed child who does not effectively respond to vaccines, I strongly support that children need to be vaccinated. Children DIE from these illnesses.

The following is a quote from another post that my good friend Lauren posted.

[QUOTE=Lauren]

OKAY…this may not mix well with some of you, BUT, I am very much FOR vaccines, & vaccines ON TIME. Trust me, I have done the research.

You will be hard-pressed to find a true reputable source that connects autism to vaccines. There simply are no solid studies on this–in fact the only studies done by reliable sources have disproven the theory. Again, I have done A LOT of research in this area. When Emma was younger, she was very disconnected as an infant & we felt she may have autism (concerns from our docs too). I read all I could, especially when it came time to get vaccines. My doctor even gave me the choice about the MMR, but we discussed it & she agreed there was no concrete medical documentation connecting autism to MMR or any other vaccine. Dh & I agreed that even if a small risk of autism may exist, or a small risk that Emma’s situation could become slightly worse from a vaccine, it was much better than Emma getting sick or dying from mumps, measles, or rubella.

As Emma gets older, & she faces different medical challenges including asthma, I appreciate the fact that we do have these vaccines even more. Emma’s immune system would NOT be able to handle any of those diseases. She faces enough challenges, & if there is something I can do proactively to help, you bet I’m going to do it! How could I ever sleep at night if Emma got sick because I chose not to give her a well-proven vaccine??????

I do just want to decifer the difference between a parent OPTING to not have their child vaccinated AND a child’s health issues (i.e. seizures, etc.) preventing them from receiving a vaccine at the appropriate time. Do the research, talk to your docs.

More info on Immunizations and autism:

https://www.infantreflux.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5893&a mp;a mp;a mp;KW=Lauren
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Thank you for posting that. I was starting to feel like the odd one out that vaccinates. Aidan has and will continue to have every vaccine she is supposed to, and I’m so glad that she has too. She has been hospitalized twice now, and all kinds of nasty things go around hospitals. I don’t want to imagine what she could have caught if she hadn’t been vaccinated. Not to mention the fact that she is steal healing from a surgery and is constantly sick, meaning her immune system is constantly down. Why let her be more susceptible (sp?) to other illnesses if we can help prevent it?

FYI, the flu shot should no longer contain mercury.

[Anonymous]

I am going to agree to disagree like Shelby…..BUT…..

I do want to state one thing as saying there is no definitive proof to a link between vaccines and autism, this is total bunk…..The scientists that have proven a link like Andy Wakefield, Boyd Haley, Mady Hornig, Drs Mark and David Geier, Jeff Bradstreet, Jill James, Dick Deth, Vinjendra Singh, Jim Oleske, Dr Thomas Burbacher are all reputable scientists some that are on staff at reputable institutes of higher learning like Columbia, Univ of Kentucky, Univ of Washington and have all researched vaccines, specifically the MMR and thimerosal and its relationship to the increase in autism spectrum disorders……and theyve all found one think…A DEFINITIVE LINK…..They have no interest in seeing a vaccine fail..theyre trained doctors and researchers……they are researching, sometimes without compensation (Singh and Wakefield) and others lose their NIH funding because they wont stop researching and uncovering the truth…..sounds like a coverup to me…..

The studies that have been pointed out by Janice through those links have all been done by NIH, the CDC, the FDA, and pharmaceutical companies. Most of the doctors that are on staff at these govt agencies are also paid consultants for pharma…they have a vested interest in both the pharmaceutical companies and in insuring that vaccine uptake stays high. (the pharma companies make money, they make money) Dr Paul Offit, the so-called vaccine expert from CHOP who goes around the country lecturing about the safety of vaccines whose name probably appears on some of those links that Janice provided, is the biggest pharma whore of them all……he owns the patent for the rotavirus vaccine, a vaccine pulled because it caused intussusception in babies when it was administered a few years back…well good ole Paulie “re-formulated the vaccine” and re-released it…..he has a vested interest…it sells he makes $$$$$…..He is a paid consultant for Merck who manufacturers numerous vaccines currently mandated for our kids……..

My daughter Megan who is a severe asthmatic reacted to the HepB at birth and as a result ended up in neo-natal ICU with a collapsed lung…..I think the collapsed lung CAUSED the asthma…the vaccine CAUSED the asthma….Ill be damned if she ever is subjected to a flu vaccine which not only suppresses the immune system but has been linked to exacerbating asthma symptoms…..but yet the mainstream medical community recommends vaccines including the flu vaccine for children with asthma….

The advice to talk to your doctor about vaccination is good if you have a doctor that doesnt have weekly visits from pharma reps that give samples, gifts, paid weekend vacations to a resort to hear about their newest product……how many times have we all been in our pedi’s office and seen those reps come in with samples and gifts for the doctors and their staff? Ive seen it too many times……pediatricians make most of their money in our kids first year from vaccination and “well-visits” which are really scheduled appointments to vaccinate…

As for thimerosal…..my son received 247.5 times the recommended EPA level of exposure to mercury in his first year from his vaccines (where else would it have come from?), is metal/mercury toxic, and is chelating right now, spilling metals out of his body, and losing autism symptoms…..to me this is proof of a link….I see it right before my eyes

Again we can agree to disagree, but I never plan on injecting my children or myself with poisons ever again…..and vaccines DO contain poisons…..

See http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/library.php for tons of unbiased science about the link between vaccines and autism…..there is research there, articles there….too much to list…..

ps. Sorry this is so long….

AidansTiredMom2006-11-21 18:33:23

[Anonymous]

I have quite a few more reputable site, but I am not going to get into an argument of who said what with you. The American Academy of pediatrics recognizes vaccines as safe, CHOP has a great vaccine info site.

My child, if she got one of these diseases could die. probably much easier than most children. She did not get the typical immune response from her vaccines that most kids get, so she is not fully protected. It worries e to no end that when I take her to the grocery store or to my sons school that she could be coming into contact with vaccinated children. MOst of the vaccines used in this country do not contain themerisol (sp?) You can even get preservative free flu vaccine.

This is not just about my child or yours, it is about protecting those that can not be vaccinated, from people that are allergic, to people that have cancer that are immunocomprimised., to many others.

As for the cancer, if you want to throw something like that out there, back it up. I take great offense to this as my daughter had cancer at 13 months old. This is something that she was probably born with and it had to grow enough for the tumor to be seen, but I CAN TELL YOU WITH CERTAINTY IT WAS NOT FROM HER VACCINES, I HAVE RESEARCHED IT.

The only reason that I even posted on this thread was to let people see that it is OK to differ on this and that you can vaccinate without feeling badly about it, as that was the tone that I felt this thread had.

[Anonymous]

The flu shot is the ONLY vaccine that still contains up to 1mcg of mercury per injection…there is thimerosal free but no one is ordering it because the medical community wants to use the cheapest vaccine possible while insuring their highest profit….State health departments order the thimerosal containg flu vaccine and will not order anything else unless forced to do so by legislation (currently there is an effort underway in which I am a part of to ban the use of thimerosal on both a nationwide and state level)

The AAP is also made up of doctors that have a vested interest in seeing that vaccine use prospers much the same way as members of the FDA and CDC et al……PErfect example, the head of the AAP here in NJ is a paid pharma consultant with Glaxo Smith Klein and was the main opponent at the hearings I took part of to ban thimerosal use from all vaccines for all citizens here in the state of NJ…..coincidence? Dont think so……

CHOP’s vaccine safety department and website is maintained/ran by Paul Offit, the pharma whore…he is using CHOP and his position there to disseminate false and inaccurate information about vaccines for his own profit…..I think thats medically unethical…..

I never said anything about cancer, but there was however a medical catastrophe in the 50’s that resulted in kids getting cancer from the polio vaccine which was contaminated with Simian Virus 40 a known cancer causing virus in humans….this vaccine was still being used up until 1999!!!! See: http://www.sv40cancer.com There are agents used in vaccines that have carcinogenic properties……they include aluminum and ammonium sulfates which are also reproductive, developmental and neurological toxins See : http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC34 903 and http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC35 278

There is some info on vaccines and how they suppress the immune system further. http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/immune_suppression.h tm

(Some info on cancer can be found in this article too!)

I agree that it is the choice of the parent to decide whether or not to vaccinate their child and I was in no way trying to make anyone feel bad for doing so….I merely urged people to research for themselves, to not rely on the medical community to tell you what to do for your children, and to make a truly INFORMED choice about vaccinating….

AidansTiredMom2006-11-21 19:50:31

[Anonymous]

Oh I forgot to mention…..In 2000, there was a secret meeting of members of the CDC, NIH and pharmaceutical representatives where they discussed thimerosal and the poosibility that it wasdirectly related to neurodevelopmental problems like autism…..Doctors at this meeting were quoted as saying that they would never give a thimerosal containing vaccine to their children/grandchldren because the risk was too great…..yet they never gave the info to the public……

Discussion comments made by participants after the presentations.

Dr. Johnson: Page 198: “This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not

be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available. I do not

believe the diagnoses justifies compensation in the Vaccine Compensation Program at this point. I deal with

causality, it seems pretty clear to be that the data are not sufficient one way or the other. My gut feeling? It worries

me enough. Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out a eight o’clock for an emergency call and my

daughter-in-law delivered a son by C-Section. Our first male in the line of the next generation, and I do not want

that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a

long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the

meantime I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines.”

Here is some info on this:

http://www.mercola.com/2004/sep/22/blaylock_vaccine_coverup. htm (long but worth the read)….

Here is an overview of what was said by some of those in attendance: http://www.safeminds.org/legislation/foia/Simpsonwood_Overvi ew.pdf

These are government agencies thatare supposed to protect us, committing acts of collusion with pharma…and i am supposed to trust them and their “research”…????

AidansTiredMom2006-11-21 20:15:8

[Anonymous]

i dont have much time but.
i dont look down upon anyone that is for vaccines, i understand perfectly why you would want to vaccinate.
someone mentioned that the academy of pediatrics states vaccines are safe etc. these doctors are given info from pharmecuetical companies which want to make money. i cannot tell you how many drugs were FDA approved and later were taken off the shelves because of scary side effects and deaths etc.
my MIL got a vaccine for limes disease bc she was living around country area woods. she now has arthirits and other problems, and guess what, the vaccine was taken off the shelves!

[hellbennt]

Hello my family,

can we all agree to disasgree & end this thread? I don’t have the ability to do it yet myself, otherwise I would (end this thread I mean)…

I think there is a lot of info for both sides and, from here on out, people can go off on their own & do their research.

I thank you my, forum family, for being so mature about this (and everything else!)

Group hug!

(<<–that’s ‘good vibes’)

~laura

[Anonymous]

Good idea Laura…..

Just want to offer those who read this thread my services in finding out more info if theyd like to…..

Just email me or PM me…..

Again, lets just agree to disagree…….

[Anonymous]

I hope noone took offense to anything I said. Most of what I found was on Dr. Jay Gordon’s website. As far as talking about cancer, I wasn’t trying to offend anyone.Both of my grandfathers died of cancer, my aunt died of cancer, and my sister and father-in-law both have cancer. I also know other people at church that have it. I don’t think that vaccines are the only way you can get cancer, but to me likely that they can cause it. Like I have said before please don’t take my word for it. Please do check out about the swine flu thing. I am amazed that I had never heard of it before.

Also, I do truly commend every parent for doing research. No matter what you choose. I wasn’t being a smart$%^. I hope I didn’t come across that way. I think you are all amazing moms for taking the time to do the research. I prayed before I ever did any research and asked God to guide me to what he wanted me to see and help me to make a decision. I feel God lead me to say no to vaccines, but that is me. My sister-in-law feels God lead her to do vaccines. She is no better or worse of a mom than I am. God leads different people in different ways.

Little miss peace maker me signing out now.

[Anonymous]

Crikey as we say in Aus! Good idea Laura. There are so many tough decisions to make when it comes to our babies. Lets all make them on the basis of what we think is best. There is no absolute truth for all- we know that from just being on this site, all our babies needs are different. Let no-one ever feel bad or guilty for what decisions they make- we all love our children and this love steers us to doing what we think is best- there is no right or wrong in that- only love.

[Anonymous]

Here endeth the sermon off (LOL)

I have just jumped down of my high horse…….

[Anonymous]

Beautifully said Therese!!!

Robin

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