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hellbennt
Keymasterthere’s lots of ideas & discussion here
– you’ve got to read through, but it’s there
– scroll down to the 7th post- the one about Elimination Diet & breastfeeding
– also the top coupla posts should help, too, but I’d start at the 7th one: https://www.infantreflux.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2697&a mp;PN=1&TPN=1
March 27, 2006 at 9:01 am #4703Topic: dairy?
in forum General Feeding IssuesAnonymous
InactiveHi I just joined the board a few days ago, and I’m worried about my son Joshua. He’s 2 months old now, and he’s been refluxing since he was born. It seems relatively mild- he arches his back after feedings and lets out a cry every once in a while right after eating- but he wasn’t refusing to eat and he doesn’t cry that much. I suspected he had a problem with dairy, so 3 weeks ago I eliminated liquid milk and ice cream from my diet (he is exclusively breastfed). His skin got a lot clearer, and I thought he was refluxing less, so I decided to add milk back out to see if he got worse and if it really was the milk. I didn’t notice a difference right away, but last night, after drinking milk for 3 days, he was the worst he’s ever been. For the first time he tried to nurse but kept coming off crying because he was refluxing. (I could hear milk coming up, but he didn’t spit up) His skin also started to get a little red and dry again. So now I’m convinced dairy is the problem (along with overactive letdown). So I want to eliminate all dairy from my diet, but it seems so impossible to me! I’ve started looking at the lables, and milk is in everything! I guess after that long introduction, my question is does anyone have any tips on what to eat when not eating any dairy? And should I also avoid soy? I read somewhere that 1 in 5 people who are allergic to dairy also have a problem with soy. Any help would really be appreciated! 🙂
March 26, 2006 at 10:33 am #4649Topic: zegerid vs. prilosec
in forum MedicinesAnonymous
InactiveWhat is the difference between a liquid suspension prilosec and zegerid? I’m confused.
Thanks,
Ruby
Henry, reflux and MSPI
Breastfeeding on dairy-free soy-free diet
3ml of 2mg/ml liquid Prilosec 2x a day
March 25, 2006 at 9:10 am #4612In reply to: Mommy Shut-Down Syndrome
Anonymous
InactiveThank you for your encouraging words, everyone. Since my husband was going to have to work late the past few nights, I packed up my car with the baby and our two golden retrievers and headed for my parents’ house. I am there right now. It has been fabulous. I feel like I am at a resort. I have had a chance to sleep, to take a long shower, and to sit in their whirlpool. I feel like a new person. Plus my mom doesn’t mind holding Henry all the time. He also seems to be better when he is with her. I think a change of scenery and faces does him some good. I have a pediatic GI appointment for him on April 7th and I am definitely preparing all my information to ask for an increase in his medication. Maybe there is a happy baby in there somewhere just trying to get out!
Additionally, I met a woman at church who had a very difficult time with one of her children and she offered to babysit Henry one hour a week, just to give me a break. . .to take a shower, run an errand, take a walk or whatever I want. What a blessing!
Thanks to all of you for your encouraging words. Just to hear someone say, “yeah, I know this really s*cks. I’ve been there,” means everything.
Thanks,
Ruby
Henry,4 months, reflux and MSPI, breastfeeding/prilosec 2x a day, 3ml 2mg/ml suspension
March 24, 2006 at 10:33 am #4565In reply to: Mommy Shut-Down Syndrome
Anonymous
InactiveI could have written that post a few months ago. It happened to me, after I stopped breast feeding. I thought I was going to mess the baby up because i just didn’t care if she cried after a while. my doc. wanted to start me on lexapro- something not as potent as zoloft, it was supposed to just take the edge off and not knock you out at night. I was too scared to start it because my husband is gone 3 weeks out of the month. My friend uses it and has had great success. Reflux does peak at around 3-4 months. Once he is on solids more it will get better. Soon he will develop muscles to sit and crawl and that seems to help the reflux. Does he need a higher dose of PPI? Might want to play around with it maybe ask for a switch to prevacid or zegerid. Are you giving the meds. to him on an empty stomach 30 mins before you feed him? Might want to try pumping and thickening with oatmeal or simply thick. It really helps the make it heavier so it will stay down. Good luck!
March 21, 2006 at 8:37 pm #4388In reply to: Change from BF to Formula?
Anonymous
InactiveAnne,
You are a true trooper to eliminate all of that from your diet for such a long time! You are a great inspiration! Thanks for your post!
Ruby
Henry, 4 months, reflux and MSPI
Breastfeeding on dairy-free soy-free diet
3ml of 2mg/ml liquid Prilosec 2x a day
March 21, 2006 at 8:28 pm #4387In reply to: Which sling/carrier for reflux baby
Anonymous
InactiveI went to the Kozy website and loved how the slings looked. Henry doesn’t like to be front carried; he likes to be held on the hip or up near the shoulder. I’ll be curious to hear if other positions work better with it than the front carry. I looked at the hotslings and I’m wondering if I could use that when pregnant. I think a baby wearing group would be awesome. How great would it be to try on a selection of slings and find out what works best for you!
Ruby
Henry, 4 months, reflux and MSPI
Breastfeeding on dairy-free soy-free diet
3ml of 2mg/ml liquid Prilosec 2x a day
rubicube2006-3-21 20:34:23
Anonymous
InactiveThais – reading your post made me really mad. I cant believe that these psychologists have pre-conceived ideas and stereotypes about what sort of people make good and bad mothers. I was alot less stressed with Tyler than my daughter. I knew what I was doing, he was breastfeeding so much better, it was so much easier. At around 6 weeks he stopped eating and the reflux and allergies kicked in. If it was my personality or stress levels that caused it, then he would have been that way from birth. As for our careers, I have a fairly stressful job, but it in no way interferes with my home life. I have friends that dont work but stress about every little thing their child does and their children eat fine. I know the doctors are just looking for answers but all this sounds really crazy to me….
March 21, 2006 at 12:48 am #4330In reply to: Change from BF to Formula?
Anonymous
InactiveRuby,
I can fully understand what you are going through — I really didn’t want to do the elimination diet or cut foods and only after 8 miserable months did I finally cut dairy and soy (hidden, etc.). I had cut all the classic reflux foods when Lucas was 3 months old, but then added th dairy and soy. He was a truly different baby after removing all dairy and soy. You might think about beef, it’s cow, just like the dairy is cow’s milk. Lucas definitely reacted to beef as well. When it was suggested to me that I take out wheat as well, I balked and thought—I just can’t handle this, plus I already feel like I’m starving to death!!! So, we waited and suffered through additional months of night wakings and misery….most of which I attributed to the hiatal hernia, and the ped gi and ped did as well. Recently I was starting to hit true burn-out and having a really hard time and remembered that wheat and gluten were the one big allergen that I never tried eliminating….Well, you guessed it, he’s sleeping better and although he’s not “all better” things have made a major change for the better with cutting all gluten from his diet. We have an appt with an allergist in TWO months (that was the earliest appt we could get!) Now I’m kicking myself for not trying this sooner, for not pushing for an allergist sooner, etc. My ped is good to tell me that the most effective way for learning about food sensitivities and allergies in these young ones is the elimination of a food and reintroduction. Allergy testing is “notoriously unreliable” in my ped’s words, for kiddos this young. He reminded me that even if allergy testing doesn’t show any allergies, what I have found through trial and error is still valid and if I see something is bothering him, then I should react accordingly.
Everything Donna said is so true. If you are enjoying the benefits of bfeeding, and just need encouragement for doing the challenging elimination diet, then we are here for that. In my experience, breastfeeding has been the ABSOLUTE best thing for Lucas’ reflux. And for us, when the teething hit, it was bfeeding that has saved us. When the night wakings were too much, at least I could roll over and feed him and fall asleep at the same time. Not true if you are bottle-feeding. I know a lot of women say that with bottles husbands can help and that is true to a point, but my husband works long hours and isn’t able to handle the every two hours thing the way I can. It just isn’t in him, and hats off to those husbands who really can pitch in like that. I know for me, that it simply isn’t realistic to wean him thinking that my dh will step up to the plate for these nightwakings. Anyway, my point here is that eliminating wheat might really help you out. Waiting will sometimes (like for us) just make you miserable until you are SO miserable you try the elimination thing anyway. I really wish I had eliminated dairy and soy right away, and then tried wheat. As it is, my son is 18 months old, still nursing (on good days just before naps and bedtime) and breastfeeding is truly the best thing I could have done for his reflux. In my opinion, if your situation is such that you can bfeed physically and emotionally, and no tests are showing eos cells like Donna mentioned– I would go for it and keep nursing.
There are lots of things to eat, I’ve just been finding out, cause we just eliminated gluten in the last few weeks. Rice pasta, gluten free breads (I’ve just made a mix called the Gluten Free Pantry Sandwich bread– it’s actually pretty good!) and there are cookie and brownie mixes out there too. I won’t lie, I’ve been really thrown for a loop doing no dairy, no soy and no gluten, but seeing him sleep has made it all worth it. And I really mean that.
I tossed around the idea of stopping nursing when he was around 8 months old and I was first eliminating dairy and soy– had a lot of feedback on these forums from wonderful women– and I was very scared of losing my supply and of pumping for two weeks to do a neocate trial. It just didn’t feel right to me, although no one would have thought any less of me, dh kept saying it might be easier for me, etc. etc. I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. With bfeeding, it’s really hard to go back after losing your supply. It’s possible, but no fun. I would really investigate the baby’s dose of ppi, check http://www.marci-kids.com for dosing info on ppi drugs and make sure that is where it shold be. That can make a huge difference, too. Also, check out this info on allergies nad intolerances: http://www.disa.com.au/ Sorry to ramble so long, but it’s no everyday you can talk to someone who can’t eat dairy, soy or wheat–haha.
I wish you well, these decisions are so difficult to make!
March 20, 2006 at 7:43 pm #4311In reply to: need help from bf moms with slow gainers
Anonymous
InactiveOk Laura I see why I’ve confused you…you said the vomiting may never stop
and I made the leap that direct brestfeeding will nevr be possible…of course
that doesn’t necessarily follow, but in this case in may…thickening is the
only way the baby keeps enough milk down to grow…and thickening means
the baby is not breastfeeding and there hasn’t been enough time to pump
enough to not use formula and the milk supply is definitely taking a nose
dive…
Thanks Christine it does help to know that eventually some people get
answers to the why, and yes we are not needing surgery…
March 20, 2006 at 4:48 pm #4295In reply to: need help from bf moms with slow gainers
Anonymous
Inactiveedith elizabeth—i’ve typed you replies more than once and then deleted them. not sure what i have to say will necessarily be helpful. my sylvia was failure to thrive for most of her first 2 years. i had plenty of milk, she couldn’t keep enough down. i did alot of breastfeeding because she would spit up and i would nurse again. sylvia ended up with a fundoplication and a hiatal hernia was discovered. prevacid and carafate didn’t stop her esophagus from getting ulcerated. the hernia made her rerflux uncontrollable. i nursed her for 15 months. she did have bottles—–but only because there were times i needed to be away. failure to thrive is one of the reasons for doing a fundo, but i think you are a little early in the game to consider that. if it were me, i would not thicken bottles, i’m not a big believer in that. i would nurse my baby as much as possible. if supplementing was still felt needed, i would do it after breastfeeding.
March 20, 2006 at 4:45 pm #4294In reply to: need help from bf moms with slow gainers
hellbennt
Keymasteredithelizabeth2 wrote:
I knew I was in an emotional state and
just wasn’t ready to hear the reality that some babies with reflux never make it to direct breastfeeding…I knew even as I was typing my reply that what I had heard from you was truth, and I needed to deal with it, and dealing with truth can be hard, but ultimately it’s the only way to stay sane-Ok, now I’m confused, LOL
! Anyway, chances are GOOD that you can breastfeed your baby!!!! There are WAY more sucess stories than not! Let us know how we can help!~laura
hellbennt2006-3-20 16:45:57
March 20, 2006 at 1:52 pm #4273In reply to: need help from bf moms with slow gainers
Anonymous
InactiveHello All,
Laura no need to apologize
I knew I was in an emotional state and just wasn’t ready to hear the reality that some babies with reflux never
make it to direct breastfeeding…I knew even as I was typing my reply that
what I had heard from you was truth, and I needed to deal with it, and
dealing with truth can be hard, but ultimately it’s the only way to stay
sane- so thank you for having the courage to tell me the truth and I’m
sorry if you have been having any bad feeling on my account…
Thanks MaryK for the info about allergy and blood types..I’ll google it
today…
Got the MARCI-kids PPPI info including Joel’s bibliography all printed out
and ready to take to doc…
March 20, 2006 at 9:28 am #4243In reply to: Change from BF to Formula?
Anonymous
InactiveThank you for your advise. I am checking out the websites that both of you mentioned. I am off of dairy and soy (hidden too), but then of course I worry that it could be a wheat allergy. But with cutting out dairy, soy, citrus fruits, gassy veggies, chocolate, spaghetti sauce, and then wheat. . .it starts to become a little ridiculous! I know that self-sacrifice hormone should kick in any day now for me. I feel selfish all the time that I can’t handle the crying and the eliminate-everything-in-the-world diet with a little more grace.
Thank you for your encouragement!
Ruby
Henry, 4 months, reflux and MSPI
Breastfeeding on dairy-free soy-free diet
3ml of 2mg/ml liquid Prilosec 2x a day
March 19, 2006 at 11:07 am #4204In reply to: feeding therapy
Anonymous
InactiveThis is from a link that Johnny´s mom provided…. i don´t think it works for young kids like matthew but hey, looks interesting and def will have to try if matthew continues like this!
Working With Therapists
If your child has feeding aversions that are related to fear of eating or sensory issues, I would encourage you to get your child some feeding therapy. There are many good therapists out there, and each has their own style and philosophies. If a therapist’s techniques don’t work for your child, or it doesn’t feel right to you, try it for a short time and then start shopping around for a new therapist. Sometimes it just takes a good match to make things work smoothly.
Nitara started out in a feeding clinic until our insurance switched over and therapy was no longer covered for her. At that point I called Early Intervention and Nitara was able to get therapy through the our state services for free. The state therapy worked out better anyway, because it took place in our home. For a child who has been medically traumatized, it’s tough trying to do therapy in a clinical setting with people wearing badges. Nitara was much more relaxed in our home and made better progress. The state also decided to provide Nitara with an Occupational Therapist to help her overcome sensory issues. It was the two therapies together that made a difference for her.
The following techniques were either taught to me by the therapist, or inspired by my own instincts, or a combination of both.
Let The Child Take Control, and Respect Your Child’s Cues
Feeding can be a scary thing for a child who associates it with vomiting and pain. It is even more scary to be forced to eat. It can make a child shut down and further worsen their feeding aversion. The best thing is to let the child do it on their terms. Some of the methods we used for this were:
- imitation games: Babies love imitation games! I started out by giving her a toy (so it’s not threatening) and holding a similar toy. Whatever she did, I would do. Pretty soon she figured out the game and was giggling and making me do all kinds of funny things with the toy including touching it to my faces and even biting on it. Later, I had her imitate me with touching it to my tongue, blowing on it, biting it. This became very important as the toy was replaced with a food object. Imitation became key to the whole therapy experience.
- making a mess: For the sensory kid, exploring the food through play is essential. Expect the child to make a mess. It’s okay, and it’s fun! Using imitation, show the child how to paint purees on the high chair table, other toys, foods, and even their hands. Then try to get the child to touch their tongue briefly to the hand or object with the food on it. Make a silly noise as you do this yourself, such as “boop!”
- use foods that will stimulate the senses: Dry crunchy foods were what worked for Nitara. Veggi stix, Funyions, Pringles, Cheetos, Pirate’s Booty. First we smashed and broke them, then we stuck the crumbs on our wet fingers. Finally we licked our fingers to taste the crumbs. Also allow the child to smell the foods.
- use foods that the child can control in her mouth: Logic says that you start out with babyfood purees, but for the orally defensive child, this doesn’t always work. Purees cannot be controlled well in the mouth. They glob up on the tongue and slip down the throat even when the child doesn’t want to swallow. They are hard to spit out. Solid foods are easier for a child to control. Start out with Gerber Puffs or tiny bits of veggie stix. They taste good, can be controlled, and dissolve easily.
- let the child play with feeding tools and be comfortable with them. Buy an assortment of fun bowls, silverware for toddlers, cups, and straws. Have these available at mealtime and during playtime. Encourage the child to pretend to feed her dolls. Encourage her to touch the spoon to her tongue with a “boop!” sound when food is not present. Then it takes the pressure off the child to eat, and she is just using the spoon as a toy. Later she will trust the spoon when it’s used for eating. Use the bowls to fill and unfill with blocks and other toys. Use the straws to blow bits of paper around or blow bubbles in the bathwater.
- feeding purees: If your child needs to eat purees because of swallowing or tongue control issues, avoid the spoon at first.Use a medicine syringe that is 1 teaspoon or smaller (if it’s too thick it won’t work). Suck up some smooth puree such as jarred bananas or Stage 1 applesauce. Put the syringe to the inside of the child’s cheek and squeeze out 1/2 cc. Let the child taste it and get used to it. Then squirt no more than 1 cc at a time. 5 cc make a teaspoon so if you are persistent with it, you’ll eventually finish the jar of food.
- liquids:If the child will not use a cup or bottle, give the child a large 60cc syringe filled with water and let them learn to suck it out of the syringe. Then give a disposable sippy cup (it will drip water out but not too fast, and will not require sucking). After the child is comfortable with that, try a real sippy cup with a valve. Use the same technique when introducing a straw cup (first disposable cup with no valve, then valve straw). I have gotten Nitara to try liquids other than water by letting her dip a spoon into a mug of the liquid and dipping a spoon in it, and slurping it off the spoon. She associates milk with vomiting so she won’t normally drink milk in a cup.We are still working on this.
Don’t Expect Table Manners, or Even a Table
Some kids just are not interested in sitting at the table or a high chair. Don’t force it. Leave a chair open for them. If they want down, let them down. With both my kids I have fed them on the go. They will eat a few bites and then be off and running. I just kept popping food in their mouths as they played. People said my oldest would never learn to sit at a table and eat. Many therapists frown on this behavior of not sitting and eating. I just believe it’s not natural for some toddlers to sit quietly and eat, and I’m going to choose my battles. My oldest is now five and she will eat anything put in front of her. She will sit at a table when we are out to eat and has good manners most of the time. I’m glad I followed my instincts with this one.
Nitara’s Favorite Foods
Here are some of Nitara’s favorite foods, listed in order from easiest to more challenging. These are not meant to be nutritious in the early stages. They are meant to convince my child that eating can be fun.
Early stages
- Gerber Puffs, all flavors
- Veggies Stix
- Pirate’s Booty (corn puffs)
- soft Cheetos
- Funyions
- Teddy Grahams
- Kix, and Panda Puffs (health food version of Kix)
- Kashi Hearts and O’s
- Cheerios, all flavors
- Pringles, all flavors
- Dried bananas
Later (all cut into tiny pieces)
- Garlic bread
- pan pizza, cut into bite sized pieces
- soft processed cheese. Later, aged mild cheddar cheese
- Nutri-grain bars
- bananas
- canned carrots
- canned green beans
- steamed broccoli (cooked until it’s almost falling apart)
- toaster waffles
- pretzels
- Metamucil wafers in tiny bites, for constipation
- canned kidney beans and navy beans
- french fries
- baby corn
- breaded cheese sticks
- Fig Newtons (but use the blueberry or strawberry ones instead)
- Quaker Graham breakfast bars. Spead with peanut butter, it’s 220 calories!
- sandwiches, peanut butter and grilled cheese.*
* For sandwiches, I take a piece of white bread and smashed it with the rolling pin very carefully. Then I cut it in half with scissors and spread the peanut butter and honey, or put the cheese on it to grill on the skillet. If you flatten the bread first it is less likely to cause gagging. Also, white bread works better than whole wheat in the early stages.
- Licorice bites are great to help increase chewing endurance.
Currently
Nitara takes forever to eat. Each meal of the day takes about 2 hours. She did not have the benefit of sucking a bottle or breast for most of her first year and into her second year. So her mouth is not very strong. I found it very useful to buy a Baby Food Mill to grind up the more channeling foods such as pasta and rice dishes, Boca burger (we are vegetarian), spinach and other fibrous veggies, and so on. It allows us to feed her more during her waking hours. She now will eat almost anything, but some things need to be cut up. As she learns to eat faster, she can eat more during her waking hours, and we can gradually reduce her tube-feedings.
Introducing New Fluids
Nitara vomited so, so much that she now associates the taste of milk and formula with vomit from her tube-feedings. She will not drink milk. I had some luck getting her to drink it very watered down, and then she was hit with the flu again and no longer wanted it. One of the criteria she must meet before the tube comes out is to drink milk or a milk equivalent. Her nutritionist said to try Carnation Instant Breakfast juice drinks. I started out adding 1 teaspoon to 5 oz of water. Every day I add just a little more and after 2.5 weeks she was drinking it full strength! Then I took a chance and tried her on strawberry flavored Pediasure. The first day I did it 50/50. The second day I mixed it 4 oz Pediasure to 2 oz water. She finished a whole can’s worth by the end of the day. When I tried strawberry Pediasure a few months ago she refused it. I have learned to introduce things more gradually now.
Know When to Push and When Not To
Nitara has gone beyond her fear of food so it’s time for her to practice more and work on getting off her tube. She doesn’t feel hungry like normal kids. She will feel some hunger and be satisfied after just a few bites. Or she will want the food because it tastes good, not because she’s hungry. I need to stretch her stomach to hold more, a reult from being tube fed small amounts for most of her life. I also need to learn to read her cues, and then push her just beyond– but not too far– her comfort zone. Currently I will expect Nitara to finish a meal even if it takes 2 hours because she needs to practice eating. If she refuses to eat or blows me off I will take her into my lap and hold the food in front of her and tell her that when she eats it she can then play again. It’s a hard balance to find and sometimes I don’t read her cues right. We are both learning.
Be Patient! Expect Progress, Followed by Regression
Eating is very scary for these kids. Nitara’s pattern is to jump forward, then make no progress or even regress for a few weeks, then advance to new territory. The first few times this happened I was so frustrated. Now I know it’s normal and I expect it. Nitara probably won’t be fully off her feeding tube until at least 3 years old, maybe longer. That’s okay. I know that eventually she will be off her tube and eating normally. It’s just a matter of time.
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Topic: dairy?
Hi I just joined the board a few days ago, and I’m worried about my son Joshua. He’s 2 months old now, and he’s been refluxing since he was born. It seems relatively mild- he arches his back after feedings and lets out a cry every once in a while right after eating- but he wasn’t refusing to eat and he doesn’t cry that much. I suspected he had a problem with dairy, so 3 weeks ago I eliminated liquid milk and ice cream from my diet (he is exclusively breastfed). His skin got a lot clearer, and I thought he was refluxing less, so I decided to add milk back out to see if he got worse and if it really was the milk. I didn’t notice a difference right away, but last night, after drinking milk for 3 days, he was the worst he’s ever been. For the first time he tried to nurse but kept coming off crying because he was refluxing. (I could hear milk coming up, but he didn’t spit up) His skin also started to get a little red and dry again. So now I’m convinced dairy is the problem (along with overactive letdown). So I want to eliminate all dairy from my diet, but it seems so impossible to me! I’ve started looking at the lables, and milk is in everything! I guess after that long introduction, my question is does anyone have any tips on what to eat when not eating any dairy? And should I also avoid soy? I read somewhere that 1 in 5 people who are allergic to dairy also have a problem with soy. Any help would really be appreciated! 🙂
Topic: zegerid vs. prilosec
What is the difference between a liquid suspension prilosec and zegerid? I’m confused.
Thanks,
Ruby
Henry, reflux and MSPI
Breastfeeding on dairy-free soy-free diet
3ml of 2mg/ml liquid Prilosec 2x a day
